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Next up on Soul Level, human.

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I tried to be an atheist. I tried, I tried and then quantum physics came into my life against my will. It changed my perspective forever. Dr Troller opened up the class with welcome to quantum mechanics theory. My hand shoots up, Excuse me, Excuse me, I'm a liberal arts major, I'm a humanities major, I need to be excused from this class. The panic rising. I'm a scholarship student. And she said oh no, I don't let girls out of my class, I do not let women out of science classes.

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So I went to Dr Troller after the class and I begged and I gave her my slab story and I'm in tears you know the full tears because my life is now over. And she rolled up her sleeve and on her forearm was a tattoo and she had survived Auschwitz as a child. At that point there's no arguing with anybody. And she said come to me, I will help you and the things she said beyond that to let me know I'd be okay in the class. She goes can you imagine smaller than small? And I went yeah, Can you imagine bigger than big? Yeah, You'll be fine. That was her slogan. You'll be fine.

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If you feel like your soul came to this planet for a reason and you're looking around at the state of the world in heartache and disbelief, it's because your soul is ready to step into the mission you came here to complete. You have soul level awareness and skills to develop and soul level people to meet. You didn't sign up to do this alone. If you're ready to soul level your life, you're going to need to work on your clarity, courage and trust muscles. I'm your guide, sylvia Beatriz, psychic channel intuition coach and soul level mama of two under 10. This world is ready for a new way. This world is ready for you. Welcome to Soul Level Human. Welcome to Soul Level Human.

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Today I am beyond excited to introduce to you our special guest, lori Rivers. Lori is not just an astrologer with over 30 years of experience, but she's also a psychic and a certified life coach Three areas I deeply admire. But what really caught my attention about Lori are two things. First off, the incredible psychic medium John Edward. The whole reason I'm into all of this stuff in the first place gave her a shout out on a TikTok live one night and I had to look her up immediately. I trust him, I trust his take on things. He's grounded, he's ethical, he is integrous. And Lori has completely blown me away. I have been in her Patreon for a couple of years now and she's just amazing.

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Secondly, lori's fascinating background as a political analyst in the private sector, focusing on the Middle East with the wild political climate of the last few years. Her knowledge is timely and grounded and well-rounded and I completely respect her take on everything, and it's been such a comfort too to hear what she has to say about everything. She does give actionable steps so that you can have a heads up and know what to do with it. At the same time, lori has over 152,000 followers on TikTok, where she shares her wisdom and guidance on TikTok lives and on her posts. She's also the brilliant host of the Awake Space Astrology Podcast, which is a fantastic listen if you're cleaning your house or washing dishes or just on a drive. Wonderful, wonderful thing to be listening to, in addition to my podcast, of course. Thank you so much for being here. Both my husband and I have had readings with her and I can tell you she is so, so good. I cannot wait for you to experience her magic. Let's start the episode.

Speaker 1: 4:00

Welcome to the show. Lori Rivers. I am so excited to have you on. How are you doing today?

Speaker 2: 4:06

I am doing great. Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1: 4:15

So I have to tell you it's your fault that we're here today, because I had a reading with you about a year ago and everything kind of confirmed everything that I was thinking about. I was like, well, should I start a YouTube? Maybe I'm thinking a podcast. And you're like, yes, do it. I was like, okay, great, and here we are. So this is your fault, I love that I love enabling people's success. Yes, yes, I love it, and obviously then I can pay it forward. So we are all about it.

Speaker 2: 4:40

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 4:41

Soul level. Human is all about how we integrate all the spiritual frothy things into the grounded reality of the 3D. Like how do we actually human as souls with a spiritual perspective, because we didn't come here to just, you know, be floaty and airy, fairy and whatever, especially not in this day and age, right, and I know that that's something that you're super passionate about as well.

Speaker 1: 5:06

So, I'm so excited to get into it with you. Let's take it back to the beginning. Can you tell me a little bit about your family of origin and what the language of spirituality was in that context?

Speaker 2: 5:20

That is complex.

Speaker 1: 5:22

Here for the complex.

Speaker 2: 5:24

That's very complex. My family is at least my dad's side of the family my mom's side of the family is very religious, my dad's is too, but not the way people think of religious today, like with evangelicalism et cetera. I know there are people who are in my family, but it's like generations of people of faith, let's put it that way Whether they were pastors or rabbis or priests. It goes way back. Most cases they may have been religious because they had to be for legal reasons. I mean, I'm talking hundreds of years.

Speaker 2: 6:07

But I grew up with a family library and it sounds grand, but it was a couple bookshelves with really old books on them and it was my great-grandfather's, my great-great-grandfather's, my great-great-grandfather's and grandmother's books, and many of those were from the transcendental movement of the 19th century. So I grew up with transcendentalism at my fingertips and abolitionist works, and so in that side, my dad's direct line, were full of people who were suffragettes and abolitionists and what would now be considered very progressive people. They were not without their flaws. I think we over dehumanize people so much we make them into archetypes of oh, this person believed in these things. They must have been all good. Oh no, they had flaws. Demonize them, and humans are humans. We all poop.

Speaker 1: 7:07

Yes, we do.

Speaker 2: 7:08

We all poop Okay, it's part of being human or we blow up, so. But I grew up with that and I was religious not my parents, but I was. I had a very strong connection to believe in something bigger than me from a very small child, probably because my great-grandma took me to church. But I would tell the pastor how he did during the sermon after church at four. I also explained this to him. It would have been a fly on the wall. Yeah, there were people who hated that. The pastor loved it. He was a very open-minded man. Well, how did I do to Daylor? And I'm like no, you're a little scary and Jesus is about love, and I don't think you really hit that on the head today, you know, at four, you know, oh, I want to eat too. So cute.

Speaker 1: 7:58

I have a four-year-old, so I can picture it very clearly, right, so I can picture it very clearly, right, so you can picture.

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The little school marmy girl that was me Also explained that Adam could have said no and didn't have to eat the apple to my Sunday school teacher. You know those types of things, and not in a challenging way. It was in a critical thinking kind of way, and it was very, very fortunate that I was in a church that did not condemn you for being five years old and thinking they would just be like, wow, that's an interesting way to look at it, huh.

Speaker 3: 8:32

And change the subject.

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I'm very, very fortunate and it was pre kind of where the mainstream evangelicals are today. It was a non-denominational church and they were kind of autonomous. But I left at 13 when that movement started to kick up and I was like I can't be here, this isn't right, and then went on to my grandmother, was very upset with that and she was Lutheran and she wanted me to come to her church. I'm like okay, fine, and I wasn't that thrilled with that because I wasn't necessarily agreeing with the theology I was hearing and I went to make my grandma happy and to sing in church because I was a singer and churches have good music that's always great music. But I left at 17 because they would not feed a homeless person and I rebuked a congregation on the steps and had to be carried off and shoved into a car.

Speaker 1: 9:34

I think we would have been great friends.

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Yeah, as my grandmother was. What about your soul? I'm like, my soul is fine. You people need to work on yours. That man just wanted food. Well, what if he came back? Isn't that your job?

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And so I was very angry, as we tend to be as young people and I don't think every young person thinks they invented being the angry young person in search of justice. And it doesn't mean you have to become more conservative with age, it's just. It's important to also note that you're not the first one and I was lucky enough to run into mentors along the way going. You're not the first one and you don't have to get more conservative, but you do need to work smarter, not harder. So I just I journeyed. Spiritualism came into my way later, you know, when I went to England and the spiritualist church got thrown into my face and some of that I wasn't interested in. There were some ceremonies and stuff that were like from the 20s, that were pretty, pretty funny for this 18-year-old in 1988. But I couldn't ever get away from spirituality. I tried, I tried to be an atheist. I tried, I tried and then quantum physics came into my life against my will and it changed my perspective forever, and so I would say, I'm a spiritual humanist above all else.

Speaker 1: 11:11

Oh, that's fascinating. So you've been a rebel since the beginning and I would say ahead of your time in many ways, because I mean it sounds like you have a connection from the beginning and the confidence, know, speak truth to power and question things, and I don't know where that comes from. Where do you think it comes from?

Speaker 2: 12:01

I don't think it's confidence as in oh I screw up my courage to do it. I didn't see any other way of being. Now that is probably because I am neuro spicy af. They did not diagnose those things back in the 70s and 80s. For young people all they knew is I had a high iq. But you know, now with tiktok I'm like interesting. Ask my kids so do you think mommy's autistic?

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they're like yeah mom, how do you think we got this way? You, yeah, and so I know people will see it as confidence. I just see it as this is how I am, so I think about things and I talk about things, and what I think about comes out of my mouth, sometimes for good here we are. Sometimes it just comes out and people aren't happy with it it is what it is. Yeah, mention finding quantum physics quantum mechanics theory in in university tell me more.

Speaker 1: 13:03

How did that bridge the gap between everything?

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so I didn't want to take the class. Once I found out what it was about, I signed up for it, thinking it was going to be an EZA, because it said natural sciences, and I was like, oh, biology, botany, zoology great. Because I was an international relations major, minoring in cultural anthropology, and I could not drop my GPA further. I was a scholarship student and math had already, and math had already taken it down a little bit. And I'm like, oh, and because I'm a different thinker, I didn't do well in my economics class either, because I made the professor cry, so he really did too. So I couldn't afford that.

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And I got into the class and there was this wonderful professor. She had many degrees, like. She had three PhDs, five masters, a ton of bachelor's degrees in everything from classical piano to philosophy to quantum mechanics theory, you know, I mean from arts to sciences. And she had this very thick Germanic accent and Dr Troller, okay. And she opened up the class with Welcome to Quantum Mechanics Theory. My hand shoots up, excuse me, excuse me, I'm a liberal arts major, I'm a humanities major, I need to be excused from this class. The panic rising, I'm a scholarship student. And she said oh no, I don't let girls out of my class. I do not let women out of science classes. We need more women taking science. So she was way ahead of women in STEM, girls in STEM Okay, I go to her.

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And I am the first woman in my mom's side of the family to go to college, okay. So I'm like, ah, I'm going to let everybody down, I'm going to fail, I'm going to. Ah. And it was. I went to an expensive school. It was a very expensive private school with a very small student body, and I chose that on purpose. I had the right idealism. It was based on getting to know other people from other lot of different places. Got to know each other as human beings. We might be able to stop wars. So that's why I went there. But I was also with a lot of kids who had a lot more money than me and it cost a lot. So those scholarships were very, very important. So I went to Dr Troller after the class and I begged and I gave her my sob story and I'm in tears you know the full tears because my life is now over and she rolled up her sleeve and on her forearm was a tattoo since she had survived Auschwitz as a child. At that point there's no arguing with anybody.

Speaker 1: 16:08

You really can't. Well, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2: 16:11

Yeah, that was it. And she said come to me, I will help you. And the thing she said beyond that, to let me know I'd be okay in the class. She goes can you imagine smaller than small? And I went yeah, can you imagine bigger than big? Yeah, you'll be fine. That was her slogan, you'll be fine, that was her song, you'll be fine. And I was the only person to get an A in that class and it broke my brain. My brain hurt, not just in the front part. You know how your brain hurts when you're learning something new. It hurt all the way to the back.

Speaker 2: 16:48

Man, nobody knew about quantum mechanics. Nobody knew about Stephen Hawking. It wasn't part of your popular dialogue in 1989. It was not Learned about the Higgs boson. So, like in 2012, when they finally found it, I was dancing around my living room like, oh my God, and Higgs got to live to see it.

Speaker 2: 17:09

But what quantum mechanics theory did? Is it confirmed for me that sense of of being connected to the rocks and the trees and being able to feel energy and see energy, which I'd been pushing away? You know, other than as a small child, if I had a spiritual experience or I saw a dead relative you know, come out of my closet or all those things. It confirmed for me that that was entirely possible. It didn't make me crazy and there were things we hadn't studied yet or didn't have the ability to measure. I was still very cautious with it because I saw a lot of chicanery and charlatans and hucksters out in the spiritual and religious spaces. Because it's hard to measure, you can't prove stuff, and so that more than anything I think kind of put me on my pathway that I'm on now.

Speaker 1: 18:15

I guess in essence it's like the permission slip to stop gaslighting yourself and start trusting yourself even more, Just knowing that something's possible scientifically.

Speaker 2: 18:25

That's really cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, cause I was a lot, I was very logic driven and to me, a lot of the faith I had was logic based. So I know that sounds weird because they're not supposed to go together.

Speaker 1: 18:40

From where I am now right With everything I've been through it has to go together From where I am now right With everything.

Speaker 3: 18:44

I've been through.

Speaker 1: 18:45

it has to go together, and I think somebody who's only operating on faith I mean it can get you really far, but it needs more power grounding.

Speaker 2: 18:59

Well, and then to me.

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It also then takes away the separation from a soul being and a physical being, because your very cells of your body are ensouled, takes away the separation from a soul being and a physical being Because your very cells of your body are in-souled, if you think about quarks and neutrinos and bosons, and they have this animus within them that makes them there, and to be there is to be alive, and those things are there wherever there is, then how are we not ensouled? Why would we not be ensouled? Why do we have to work so hard to think that we have to prove ourselves to be worthy?

Speaker 1: 19:38

It's almost like that's a con job, Right. Exactly Like to be worthy of simply being ourselves, just accepting what is.

Speaker 2: 19:51

Or worthy, worthy of a greater being worthy of a greater, all that is worthy of a greater God or goddess. You know, you know. At that point it's like huh. I don't know if you had that moment where you went. Huh, I wonder who made money off that idea who's doing well with that.

Speaker 1: 20:09

I think it was very clear at that point who was doing well with that. I don't think I even had the hmm. I was more like, oh my gosh, this has been going on for so long, so long.

Speaker 3: 20:16

Since the.

Speaker 1: 20:16

Bronze Age Right Everyone's just been fed to them. Everyone's just been fed to them, but that's well yes and no.

Speaker 2: 20:25

I think that's a you have to remember. It does go back to about 200 years, into the bronze age, and when people are raised and subjugated, is it really drinking the Kool-Aid or is it enculturated? And then, if you're neuro spicy, that shit doesn't get through. So you're walking around going. I think there should be a new game called are you awake or are you neuro spicy? Because it's like I walked around going. There must be something wrong with me. Why do I see things so differently?

Speaker 3: 21:00

than other people.

Speaker 1: 21:00

I would be really curious yep to see some kind of scientific study. If they would start tracking and measuring just the increased frequency of people quote unquote waking up and whether or not they have some kind of neurodivergence, I'm sure there's a correlation there.

Speaker 2: 21:17

Fascinating. Fascinating Because, yeah, you're a little harder. I mean, on one hand, you could be easier to program, depending on the programming, but on the other hand, you might be impossible to program, depending on the programming. Yeah, because at some point you're going to go wait. When I think about this and it could be a midnight thought it could just be like wait a minute. Are you sure? It becomes very practical and that's not as sexy, as you know.

Speaker 1: 21:47

the woo-hoo, the meditation and the yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:51

Yeah yeah, you know. But that's why they call it Maya and Moksha. It's a Hindu concept and it's the illusion. You know, glamour is Maya, the glamour of the world, the veneer you know, and then moksha is when you can pierce through that veil and you're aligned.

Speaker 1: 22:09

I see I'm going to have to do more reading after this.

Speaker 2: 22:13

Yeah, do more research on that. It's an interesting concept, but really it's just being able to see things for what they are. But the world operates on the illusion and so in Theosophy there's a book by Alice Bailey and I know a lot of people don't like Alice Bailey because there's some language in there from the 20s, 30s, 40s that is not as acceptable today. And I always tell people lift yourself above the cultural inferences, because nobody wrote without that kind of language back then. Lift yourself above that and read the energy, read with the intent of the energy, take yourself out of the vernacular and just try to pick out the pearls. To pick out the pearls, okay, because people are going to judge us.

Speaker 2: 23:07

Even the most, um, awakened, enlightened people of this moment, a hundred years from now, young people are going to go oh, my god, they believed that. Look at the language they used. So you know, take a step back, get what you can, yeah, but um, even in there there's a book called glamour, a world problem, and if you read through it you feel really justified, especially if you just woke up or you're having an unfolding and um, and an unfolding is just like a further awakenings and understandings. Right, you're not, you don't just get one, there's not just one. And then there's no brownie buttons here and you think, oh yeah, the world and all its illusions. And then they're like yeah, and then there's an illusion to being so awakened and if you want to make a difference as a world server or a world teacher, you have to step back into it.

Speaker 1: 23:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:57

Because no one's going to listen to you without it. If you're going to do your job, it's like, oh man, and I really fought that, because I came into that in my 30s and I was like, no, screw that, I'm not going to do that. And did I make any progress? I would have a few people slip in no-transcript.

Speaker 1: 24:45

be fully here and do what you came here to do, yeah that makes sense, yeah, it is a game. Tell me how, like break down for me how you found astrology and how it kind of fit into your life. Like you were a political analyst, you said, right yeah, two separate lives come together and flow together. How did that?

Speaker 2: 25:08

work Well. Astrology, first of all. The history of astrology is astrologers were the first political analysts. This idea is some spiritual blah, blah blah. No, astrology was always. In fact, the average common person never had an astrologer. They didn't even know what day they were born, that's right. So it was always people with money and land, and that was kings, queens, generals, merchants, and this goes back to the advent. It was people who had power, had astrologers. Astrologers could read and were well-versed in everything from theology to. You have to remember, politics and religion didn't get separated until the US Constitution.

Speaker 1: 25:55

Yeah, I'm having so much fun I'm going.

Speaker 2: 25:58

Right, so astrologers were the original political analysts. Right, so astrologers were the original political analysts. But I didn't know that when I fell into astrology, because I had the same misunderstandings of what astrology was as every other person who's been exposed to a Linda Goodman Sun sign begging it matter. The internet was very new. I was at an internet cafe. I was looking for answers. My life was not going the way I wanted it to go. I had checked off all the boxes. I had done absolutely everything you were supposed to do. I was an overachiever's overachiever, and life was falling apart.

Speaker 3: 26:39

And when.

Speaker 2: 26:40

I say life was falling apart. I meant everything that mattered to me and it didn't matter what I touched. It seemed to crumble For the listeners, that's Pluto transit. I was 25.

Speaker 2: 26:50

I was 25 and I had already been to 23 countries, four continents. I had graduated from university. I did a four-year degree in two and a half years, degree in two and a half years. When I say I was an overachiever, I was like off the charts overachiever and I did all of that on my own steam, meaning my parents never paid for that. I paid for that. I found jobs that took me.

Speaker 2: 27:14

I was tenacious and unrelenting, with a hell of a lot of willpower, and when everybody else would party I'd be laser focused on my stuff. Again, more evidence of the neuro spiciness. But back then it was just isn't she interesting? But anyway, I had had my daughter and everything was not working. She was perfect, but my life was falling apart, my marriage especially. And this, happily, ever after that was supposed to be happening was not. And it didn't matter how much I loved that person, it didn't matter how much I believed in that person. Their problems were continuing to get worse and it was substance abuse and um, psychology was not useful.

Speaker 2: 28:02

Back then I had also experienced severe amounts of trauma as a young person, like off the charts, and had again, through willpower, managed to move past and not deal with stuff. But that was all coming up because I had a small child now and so I was being triggered left, right and center, to the point. I didn't even know the word triggered because it was just starting. It was just starting to come into play in the nineties and astrology I mean psychology sucked back then. There was this whole. If you were traumatized, you were forever damaged, your life would always suck, you would always be broken. You just have to be a survivor. There was no thriving and I just I was like well, no, I cannot believe in that. I cannot. I cannot, because I had had psychologists tell me at 15, I would be forever broken, I would end up on homeless, a prostitute, a drug addict, try to kill myself or be a prostitute or be a lesbian. I don't know why being a lesbian would have been the worst thing that was in that category, but 1985, right.

Speaker 2: 29:03

Yeah, and even at 15, I was like I'm none of that now. Why would I be that anytime else in my life, you know? But what a horrendous thing to say to a 15 year old yeah. And so part of that willpower that had been in play was I am not going to be all the things they told me, but life was starting to crumble and crack. So if I'm walking on a floor it's dropping out beneath me and I can't find, and it's like being in a plane that's dropping at 30,000 feet and then it hits the turbulence. So that's what was going on and I was seeking answers. And this was long before Google. But I'm surfing the web, but I'm getting in there and I'm looking.

Speaker 2: 29:46

I found this message board and it was called Astro Chat and it was owned by Jonathan Kaner, the esteemed British astrologer. I knew who he was because he had been on the morning shows and he dressed really funny. He always had these weird star outfits, but he had a beautiful voice and there was always something about him that resonated with me Not really the astrology, but he just seemed like a very kind person and so I was like oh, I liked him on TV when I was in uni. I'll go and see what's on this message board. So I asked am I a Cancer or Leah? Because all the different books had different things. I was well, this can't possibly be accurate. Well, none of those books explain that the sun ingresses into different signs on different days every year. You know so, because it's not about the calendar date. Our calendar is off, you know, not as some kind of conspiracy, as TikTok would have. You know, it's because people couldn't measure things exactly back in the day. People are like people are lying to us.

Speaker 2: 30:52

No, they did the best they could. Folks, time itself is made up because we don't know the beginning of it, so we're just going to go with assumptions. But anyway, somebody took pity on me. Well, actually, no, everybody took pity on me and gave me technical answers that I did not understand, and in the most cancerian way possible. I responded with cut the techno crap and tell me what I am. Aaliyah wouldn't have asked it that way. They would have been like please, please.

Speaker 1: 31:21

Aaliyah would been like, please please, leo would have gone.

Speaker 2: 31:23

Please, please, just tell me who I am. But the cancer got cranky. I'm like what the techno crap. And so William, who became my teacher, my very first teacher, sent me a message. A private message said hey, I'll do your chart, I'm going to send you an email and you see what you are. And so he sent me a 20 page email. We had no digital footprints. The stuff in that email that was accurate was mind bogglingly true.

Speaker 1: 31:56

Wow.

Speaker 2: 32:03

And nobody else knew. Some of it, Like this, was stuff that I never told anybody and some of it wasn't that big of a deal, but it was stuff like yeah, I could see dead people Metaphysical message word people could probably get a 50-50 on that one, but that I could talk to animals, Nobody would have asked me, no, no. And then other things, and he got some details. And he got some of the gory details right and things I had never told another living soul like ever. There was no way to know. And then at the bottom of it he said hey, if anyone was born to be an astrologer, it was you. I'd love to teach you. And I said well, my response was thank you very much, I will learn how you did the chicanery and I will prove it wrong.

Speaker 1: 32:47

Wow Objection.

Speaker 2: 32:49

I was like there's a logical rational explanation for absolutely everything.

Speaker 1: 32:54

And so, what did you?

Speaker 2: 32:54

find I will find out. I started studying astrology to debunk it and found out that effectively it's data science. That, oh, okay, there's reasons. This is not this mystical, magical thing. It's data science pure and simple, and it depends on your knowledge base. So if you want to be a good astrologer, you have to know a lot about a lot of things, otherwise you're just a parrot regurgitating what other people say, right. And so if you want to be a really good astrologer, you have to be a polymath. You have to have a lot of other interests, which sounds like it was the perfect fit.

Speaker 2: 33:37

It was yeah, and without it, I don't know that I would be here, because it's also when we look at psychological astrology, because I'm not just a mundane astrologer, I'm an esoteric astrologer, I'm a psychological astrologer. I lead with the mundane because it's like dangling car keys to get a baby's attention and I don't mean that like I'm calling people babies. But it's a noisy world online and I'm not going to get the most attention by talking about people's spiritual pursuits or their personalities. I'm not. I'm not going to go viral on that because I'm up against young people in cute little outfit. I'm not a cute little young thing. I'm not going to get that benefit. So I'm going to lead with my expertise and the accuracy. So I give predictions and that's what proves I know what I'm talking about. So it's. But I prefer helping people like you go. Yeah, listen to yourself. You want to start a podcast? Duh, here. It is black and white, crystal clear, Clear as daylight.

Speaker 1: 34:51

Do it A little extra push, you know. So yeah, absolutely Talked before about how you've studied different systems under many teachers and how you used to do all the computations by hand.

Speaker 2: 35:10

Oh no, that was just at the beginning. At the beginning, because back in the 90s, yeah, but astrologers did used to have to calculate by hand. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 35:20

But versus the people from today who would probably have no idea how to do that, I feel like there is an extra layer of understanding that you might have just because you had the experience of having to do it, at least in the beginning, is there?

Speaker 2: 35:32

No, I don't think doing the math by hand makes you a good astrologer. I don't. I think writing the charts out by hand meaning if you just have a chart blank and you practice writing your glyphs out that helps. There is a school of astrology that does feel that you'll be a better astrologer if you do everything by hand.

Speaker 3: 35:53

I don't.

Speaker 2: 35:54

The American Federation of Astrologers would disagree with me, because they're very, very strong on doing the math. The math is very important to understand. I think you should be able to conceptualize it, because what I see in, especially online, is people do not understand the movement of the planets. They don't understand orbits. Anybody who says a Saturn return lasts three years tells me exactly what they haven't studied in astrology. It tells me they haven't studied astrology at all, because one Saturn doesn't spend three years in a sign, it only spends two and a half years in a sign, and that half a year matters. And a return is not a process. A return is a moment in time where a planet returns exactly to the degree and minute it is in the birth chart and it sets a divinatory chart. And people are like that's not the type of astrology I do. I'm like, well, except that's astrology.

Speaker 1: 36:55

You don't know what you don't know.

Speaker 2: 36:57

Well, but there's also a refusal to learn.

Speaker 1: 37:00

Interesting.

Speaker 2: 37:01

And I see that a lot, and I've seen it in older people too. It's not just young people, I've seen it in older people too. Well, no, I just know. I'm like why don't you just admit that you haven't studied it and be open to actually learning? You know, it's okay to say oh, I thought it was that, but I didn't know I'm going to go learn this that I thought it was that.

Speaker 1: 37:21

But I didn't know. I'm going to go learn this. That's really hard for a lot of people to do. They really do enjoy being right. I've had to eat a lot of crow in my life.

Speaker 2: 37:28

So I'm like, oh well, because he'll still occasionally, william, because we've never met in person. He was in Australia, I was in Bahrain, we still have yet to meet and occasionally there'll be a message of so proved it wrong. Yet I'm like shut up, I was wrong, okay, I was 25. I thought I knew everything. I was wrong, okay. So I think people have to understand that it is heady to find some measure of awakening and having some light shine in, but it certainly isn't your stopping point. It's your beginning and we all do it. I was an arrogant little cur, but I do see this lean into expertise people have not yet had.

Speaker 1: 38:15

I'm grateful you're on TikTok. I'm grateful you put yourself out there. I found you initially because John Edward, the famous psychic medium, mentioned you and I trust anything he says because same he has a very strong emphasis on logic and evidence and being grounded here in the 3D so.

Speaker 2: 38:30

I was like, yes, let's go, and I he's a small brother. I can honestly say he is my friend.

Speaker 1: 38:36

He is my friend. Oh, that's really cool. That's really cool.

Speaker 2: 38:40

He is exactly as cool as you think he is. He is a very nice man. He has a very dedicated husband and father and he is just absolutely lovely. He's a very, very good person.

Speaker 1: 38:52

I've heard nothing but great things about him from people who know him personally. That makes me so happy.

Speaker 2: 38:59

I will just totally validate that he is a very lovely human being and he's very straight up. He is very concerned about ethics, yes, really cares about things. So, yeah, no, he's very cool, his energy. To me, as just for me personally, he feels like that favorite cousin you see at grandma's house at Christmas. So we kind of it's that, oh, I get to see this person, oh, that's so cool.

Speaker 1: 39:21

Yeah, yeah, I love that yeah.

Speaker 2: 39:24

It's very, very lovely, so cool.

Speaker 1: 39:25

I mean we could go off there. Let's bring it back. So okay, You're 25. Everything's falling apart. You find astrology Things start to make sense after you've already rejected all of it, Did it make enough sense to start applying it practically in your own life? Like what was that timeline like? When did it become something that you wanted to do professionally, Because you were the political analyst for so long, right by trade? And so what was the timeline there? How did that all work?

Speaker 2: 39:55

Necessity is the mother of invention To me. I think people try to run with things too quickly. You know like I'm teaching an intermediate level class and people keep trying to ask well, in readings, do you? And I'm like you're not even close to doing readings yet. You know you need to back off and look at your own chart. Until you can look at your own chart and understand you, you will be a very little use to anyone else because you will be projecting and you need to look at yourself. So, honestly, I just studied. I didn't have access to books because there were no books in the country that I lived in and it was technically not real legal to do it. I had already busted through firewalls to get the information and get on there. It wasn't hard back then. Okay, you just had to ask on a search engine. A better question? Okay?

Speaker 1: 40:42

So it's. I mean, it would have deterred a lot of people. Let's be real, though, because it did. Many of us are rule followers and some of us are a little bit more rebellious, and I think that's necessary if you want to get Well, I knew there weren't.

Speaker 2: 40:56

I knew I was pretty good busting through where I was at, cool. So I got these weekly emails, like they were 20 pages long, I printed them out on a dot matrix printer and you know, and I would study it and so I was probably about a year in that because, remember, I didn't have access to books, even that were I could. Now the internet was full of much better information then. Much better. If you can get on the old tripod sites, the old angel fire sites, the old geocity sites, there's some amazing metaphysical information because the very people, like everybody acts like you know, old people that weren't on the internet yeah, they were the real metaphysicians were also technologically very savvy and there is so much good stuff. I had mentor. I had a mentor in his nineties and his name was Cosmo, for like real, that was like his real name, like his birth name was Cosmo and he was an astrologer, the irony and he was an Aquarius, so it was just hilarious.

Speaker 2: 42:05

But anyway, he's the one who had me yeah, he had me looking at 2020 back in 1997.

Speaker 1: 42:11

It's like way and a half. Thank you for that. So I've heard you mention that you have been gearing up for 2020 for so long. What did you understand? What were you picking up on?

Speaker 2: 42:21

So by now, you remember, I found it in 95. So by 96, 97, I was understanding things at a much deeper level, and I think it's because I didn't have the books until 97. When I traveled outside of the country and got them, I was practically learning from these emails. And I would ask my teacher, like okay, I'm a cancer, Should I pay attention to the moon transits? Nobody paid attention to moon transits, Nobody back then. You know lunar transits. And so I started tracking and I learned I started. That's what caused me to do practical application, because I treated it like a science. Okay, I'm going to observe, see what happens, record the information, see if it happens again. Is it replicating what's going on? And so by 97, I was actually already very good because I was reading charts every day. I was applying things. I was noticing. I read for friends.

Speaker 2: 43:16

At that point I did not do it professionally yet. And when he tossed me and he tossed it to me in like 96, might've been after my son was born, because my youngest was born in 96. He tossed me 2020. And I knew enough to be dangerous at that point. And 2020 looked like the world was ending and I was terrified. I knew we were in for massive systemic change that the world would somehow stop, which, in 96, 97, was global thermal nuclear war. That was the only potential you could think about. You know and I'm a Gen Xer that's what we were raised with. You know, I did not. I lived so close to a nuclear target as a kid that we didn't even have duck and cover drills.

Speaker 2: 43:57

Oh my gosh, they like you got 15 minutes. Good luck, you know. Wow, yeah, they were like you have 15 minutes. What are you going to do? And there's kids going? I'll run to the mountain. I'm like I'm going to run towards the blast because, man, we ain't got no shot.

Speaker 1: 44:19

You know, that's where I was at as a 14-year-old, I was like no yeah, but survival, we had to, and so I'm looking at that.

Speaker 2: 44:25

I have two small children, you know, and I'm like, oh my God, how do we get there? And it nearly drove me crazy trying to figure it out. I had to put down mundane astrology for a while and just focus on needle astrology and esoteric astrology. And just focus on natal astrology and esoteric astrology, because looking out at the future out of context was driving me insane. It really was the fear for my children and going why the hell did I give birth? I felt so strongly about having kids Because I wanted to be a mom so badly. I was right at six years old, I wanted to be a mom. I didn't want a husband. I was correct in that assessment. Some of me knew.

Speaker 2: 45:07

Eventually, I just raised my kids to understand a lot of different things. I gave them medieval skills. I gave them. If all technology went away tomorrow, this is how you start a fire. This is how you spin yarn or thread. This is how you make something out of the yarn or thread. This is how you chop down a tree. This is how you build without power tools. This is how you cook on a fire.

Speaker 2: 45:34

And we lived rurally and we had enough bad weather that sometimes we had to use those skills anyway. So my kids are very, very well-rounded and they're very aware and pay attention to the world around them. They were not always thrilled about that and, like Jesus Mom, we don't need to be hyper-aware. I'm like I disagree. I think you're going to need it more as we go along, because 2020 was not the only time of change. It set off a detonation for change over time.

Speaker 2: 46:08

So people do not understand how things work because of how you were taught history. You were taught history in chapters, so you believe there's a beginning and an end to things. There's not a beginning and an end. It is a connected series of events. If you look at the current world conflicts, it doesn't just go back to the 19th century. It goes back to the 10th century. It goes back to two centuries into before common era. If you study history properly and most people don't learn that because they don't teach history properly they teach history as propaganda. So we are in enduring change. Do we need to be afraid of it? I think we need to be cautious, but I don't think fear is necessary. I think because fear is debilitating.

Speaker 1: 46:57

That's a message that I've really appreciated from you over the years, and that it's not useful to be afraid and catatonic at home. It doesn't help anyone. It's all about community organizing and support and being sustainable in your practices, and I think that's so important. I mean outside of astrology, but I think people are so quick to give their power away to astrologers, to psychics, to mediums, to whoever, because they're they don't.

Speaker 2: 47:26

It's a continuation of of having been inculturated in a church or a synagogue or a mosque. It's just giving your power away.

Speaker 1: 47:34

That's so true.

Speaker 2: 47:34

People just do that.

Speaker 1: 47:36

Yeah, but do you? See it changing Cause I do.

Speaker 2: 47:44

I think, some I think the more we educate. Yeah, there's a thirst for knowledge, there's a thirst for retaining your own. I think it just depends on where people are at.

Speaker 1: 47:49

Obviously, everybody's different and just with the whole 2020 set off, I think we're just barely starting and at the beginning of whatever it is of this world that we're creating now, right? Is that something that you?

Speaker 2: 48:01

see, it was a bigger. I see a bigger awakening coming. Yeah, I think people need to be careful of hubris, because there were other awakenings before that 2012 was a big awakening, 2008 was a big awakening, 2002 was a big awakening, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so, on, and so on and there's hubris.

Speaker 2: 48:24

The problem is, being awake is not enough, and I talk about this a lot, as you know. Waking up, what do you do? You wake up every morning. What do you do with your day? How many people misspend their days, and are they really misspending it? It's not up to us to judge what somebody does with their day. Maybe you need a day you're vegetating, maybe you need a day where you're just sitting and watching TV, but some days you drink two cups of coffee and off to the races you go. So I think there's a lot of hubris in being awake. I think a lot of people think that's all there is to it. What are you going to do with it? And so that's where I get worried, because that's where people are like follow me, I know everything, I have the truth, the way, the light, and it's like eh, do you.

Speaker 2: 49:12

Yeah, so people need to develop their own discernment, people need to develop their own understandings and learn, and I think people also like to hand their power away to a certain degree, because then they don't have to be responsible. Yeah, and if you're really honest with yourself, like when you really start getting honest with yourself, you'll be like oh yeah, it was really easier to blame somebody else than to take responsibility.

Speaker 1: 49:36

So much easier, so much more fun. So, I mean, just the get out of jail free card is just so much more comfortable than actually sitting in your own shit, isn't it, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, so let's take it back to parenting then, With all of the things that we just talked about, to the 3D skills. How did you nurture that in your own kids? Nurture being awake Like their own autonomy, yeah, their own, awakening their own.

Speaker 2: 50:01

Oh, that's hard because it's hard, you know, because as a parent, not only do you have legal obligations and there is societal expectations and your kids have to be able to function in the world. I I was really fortunate, I've been very fortunate in the teachers that have showed up in my life in every realm, and one of those was H Stephen Glenn PhD, who was the founder of Resiliency Studies in 1971. And he had a program called Developing Capable Young People. It was actually Developing Capable People but people couldn't get grants, otherwise we didn't put young in it, because obviously children aren't young, people aren't people at all, unless you put young in front of it. But anyway, I ended up falling into his training and into his sphere, because the place I wanted to volunteer at made everybody take this course by the third of 10 weeks in of just them facilitating this course, I said, how do I meet him? How do I get trained? And he was an amazing man and so I applied a lot of that skill building and communication styles to raising my kids and it made it hard for them as adults because they were raised to have good communication, they were raised to think critically. They were raised so it's hard to function as an adult and I also did not helicopter parent and that made them mad at me because everybody else's parents were, you know, wiping their asses and taking them to job interviews and I was like I will drive you there and I will practice with you, but you damn well better be able to stand on your own two feet. And I did not believe in participation trophies in that way either. I believe on merit and because it does not help you Now, I also don't believe in dog eat dog competition either. I think that's unnecessary. But how do you know you're good at anything if you do not have the opportunity to fail? It is a privilege to be able to fail and I teach a lot of young people today.

Speaker 2: 52:13

I teach a lot of astrology classes, and the fear of being wrong is visceral and I'm like guys, you will not die, you will not have any problems. Being wrong isn't going to kill you. Just what do you think this means? Let's explore. What do you think it means? And the silence, and that you could see that I started to well up with tears on the video and I'm like it's okay, it's okay to be wrong, it's okay. I worry about our future with this fear of being wrong, because that will drive us off a cliff faster than anything else. I'm like no, no, no, no. We lose innovation and it's a way to control people. So I didn't do that and my kids still get mad at me today. They'll be like you didn't do this. I'm like you're welcome. Did you learn how I love? Yeah, did you learn how? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the stuff that I did wrong, you know, and they're like wow, that really traumatized me. I'm like ooh, yeah About that. Oops, sorry, but did you die for therapy?

Speaker 2: 53:18

Yeah, so cause no one's perfect no one is, no one is, no one is, no one is, no one is. And the parts I feel bad about are the parts where I was having to heal from trauma and was not the funnest person to be around. And you know that's where I'm like absolutely double the money for therapy, some money for your therapist, some money for you, and you could just can be no contact with me for a while if that's necessary. You know it's like I've always told the kids if you need to go, no content, no contact for your well-being.

Speaker 2: 53:48

Because I was an early adopter of that in my own life which is very hard to do when you're a cancerian but I didn't talk to my parents for years and years and years and years and years and years, because it made me an ineffective parent. And I told my kids if at any time you have, you don't even have to tell me, you don't have to give me a reason. If that's what you need, do it, Because perceptions are unique and individual and we don't always have to agree on everything. I may have had my reasons for something or I may have been batshit crazy at the time. So you know there was a lot that went on. I think that's important.

Speaker 1: 54:23

Strong dose of honesty and humor and humility goes a long way in all of it, oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 54:30

In all of it and it sucks to have to own up to stuff. Oh, it's the worst. I'm being silly and using humor, but there's nothing worse than, you know, looking at your kid repattern something because you thought you'd get all of those family patterns and you watch them repattern something. You showed them, you know, went through the codependency, through whatever, and you're like fuck you know that it hits right in the heart, and so, but guess what? You're never going to get it all, and it's never your job to heal everything either.

Speaker 1: 55:02

Yeah, I think actually that's really important because there's so many people that are, like you know, feeling like they have the answers Back to that hubris idea. I think they take it upon themselves to heal the entire lineage and change the game for everyone and it's In a way you know that they want to step up and do the work. But also it is a little bit egotistical to think that you could ever solve all the problems yourself.

Speaker 2: 55:30

Right.

Speaker 1: 55:30

You know, without the understanding, that you're just one piece of the puzzle. You know I think there's an element of grace, too, that we could give ourselves yeah a ton amount of grace, like give yourself a semi-trux width, okay the long way.

Speaker 2: 55:46

It's an indication of trauma to think you could heal all of those.

Speaker 1: 55:50

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:50

Because, as somebody who was traumatized, how much responsibility did you take for being the problem or being the one who was strong enough to take it? So why would it ever be your job to heal something that much bigger than you? Yeah, and that's hard to know. That's hard to know and we all do it, especially those of us who took a lot. It took me a long time to learn. Just because I can doesn't mean I have to. Just because I can bear a large amount of burden, just because I do have a strong will, does not mean I have to take on as much for other people and I'm robbing them of their own experiences.

Speaker 2: 56:35

Pain is not a problem. People need to stop shying away from pain. It is part of being human and it's a signal. Something needs to change. And if you're trying to alleviate other people's suffering and I'm not talking about there's a big difference between psychological suffering and discomfort and seeing somebody who absolutely does not have food, clothes, salt or water, or somebody who is in a very deep, there's a big difference. Yeah, okay, we often treat them the same. This person is struggling psychologically. You know I need to give them everything, or they can have their experience, and that can be. It can make you look like a real asshole when you go there.

Speaker 1: 57:21

It's true, it's true, the guilt is very programmed and very real. In the interest of giving people something actionable to do, because I feel like everyone's going through it lately, just thing after thing after thing, and then, of course, with the global context making everything so loud, is there any piece of advice that you could give people that they can actually take action on? Whether it's energy, take action on whether it's energy, whether it's astrology, whether it's learning about the history and whatever? What are some action steps that people can be taking instead of just sitting in their room afraid?

Speaker 2: 57:54

Get out of your head. Do something physical. Go wash dishes. Go take a walk. Learn how to crochet. Learn how to spin yarn on a drop spindle it's the cheaper version and it's OG. Learn how to tie dye t-shirts. Bake some cupcakes. Go garden. Go buy some water and hand it out to people who are houseless. Do something. Do something, but get out of your head and stop being a damn keyboard warrior. Amen. Stop watching things.

Speaker 2: 58:30

If you see again, if there's something that is bothering you out in the world and there's plenty that can bother you then do something about it. Sharing and what have you is a minor something you can donate. You can find people in your local area making a difference, but I'm sorry. It took a lot of very graphic videos for people to understand something that had been going on for quite some time, and I can guarantee you there is that and worse going on in the world that you are not seeing, and I'm sorry it took visuals for you to become aware, I know. However, there's a lot of good stuff too. There's a lot of good stuff. There are a lot of people stepping up.

Speaker 2: 59:13

I have so much hope. I have never seen so many people coming together from so many different walks of life to say, wow, as human beings we should be doing better than this. That's giving me so much hope because, again, not new situations to me. I am like thrilled. I look at young people and I think, oh my God, look how smart they are, look how compassionate they are, look how empathetic they are. Yeah, they got hubris. Yeah, they got ego. I was an arrogant little cur too, so it's okay. I find it cute and funny.

Speaker 2: 59:43

I just don't want people to, not. I want people to feel okay being wrong. Make a mistake today and own it. Do something wrong on purpose. Tie your shoes the wrong way and make a mess of the knot that you have to entangle, practice and just know it's not all on your shoulders. Collective means collective and you are part of a collective. It's not all on your shoulders. Collective means collective and you are part of a collective. It's not all on you. That is arrogance. Check yourselves. The world isn't in your hands, but it is, it is and it isn't. It matters. It matters not out there. Make some friends, do something, get some sunshine, get the vitamin D.

Speaker 2: 1:00:27

I don't believe technology is the problem. I don't believe screen time is the problem, but I do believe because I think the internet was. I know what the internet was invented for. It was invented to make us connect as human beings. That's what it was invented for. The corporations got a hold of it in the mid 2000s and made it. The old internet was amazing. Bring it back, be radical, and that doesn't mean just saying whatever you want to say. That's like go be nice to somebody.

Speaker 1: 1:00:51

You know that's even more radical.

Speaker 2: 1:00:53

Yeah yeah, go be nice to somebody. Go, just, I give, and so does john edward, because we've done it at the same time and we've I've noticed him and me do the same thing on tic tac random video and we'll compliment somebody because he and me do the same thing on TikTok random video. And we'll compliment somebody because he and I were the same age. We're just months apart in age and we come from a similar spiritual training and part of the radicalness in our training is go be nice, do something nice. We also don't put up with bullshit, but go be nice, treat someone with kindness. It costs you nothing and it isn't about taking on their suffering, trying to take away their pain. Because you're an empath, guess what? As an empath, it's your job to shield and I know people don't like to hear it. They're like she is so mean. Well, I'm not your little friend.

Speaker 1: 1:01:40

We need that real talk though. We need that real talk if we're going to survive the next few years at all. You know, in the best case scenario we don't have time to be playing our little violins in the dark. We just don't.

Speaker 2: 1:01:53

No, we don't, we have shit to do we don't, we do not. We have a lot of shit to do, yeah, and you have to be willing to know that, that not everything you do is going to work.

Speaker 1: 1:02:02

Yeah, but does that mean that you stop?

Speaker 2: 1:02:04

trying. No, you keep going. And I cannot count the amount of times I've failed, and failed in front of my children, to the point where they thought mom was just a dreamer, you know, because I would try and try and try and didn't have the support systems in place. To the point where I blew my life up when I was 48 years old and I went well, if I'm not going to have the support boom, I'm going to go do it by myself and then build support structures around me from there. And it looked crazy and I looked like a very selfish person, but it worked and that's why I'm where I'm at today.

Speaker 2: 1:02:40

And it was very scary and I had people going oh my God, what if you fail? I'm like I've failed before. Well, what if you end up on the street? It's fine, I'll be okay, and I'd be like that's. You know, it got to that point. I was like, well, I'd rather be on the street than compromised, so I'm going to go do this. You know it's serious when you're like I don't care, yeah, and I knew I had to be ready for 2020, and it looked crazy. And then, oh, here we are.

Speaker 2: 1:03:08

2025 isn't much better, it's very intense and it starts out intense and we're looking at a lot of climate issues and some black swans. There's stuff. Even an experienced astrologer. I can't necessarily tell you exactly what's coming down. I can tell you we will see climate issues that we've never seen. I think we're going to see water like we haven't seen it in our lifetimes. There's a lot coming, but if you sit there clutching your pearls and go, oh no, what about me? Constantly? I'm not talking about having a momentary pity party. Everybody gets to have those. I have moments where I sit and bawl my eyes out. Everybody has that moment, but I'm talking consistently. I have no time for it.

Speaker 1: 1:03:57

No, I don't have the patience for it either. Scorpio rising perhaps.

Speaker 2: 1:04:01

Yeah, right, yeah, we're both Scorpio rising. So it's like come on, put your big girl panties on, and let's do this already, right? Oh, you wear tidy whities. We'll put the big girl panties on anyway I have a spare, oh, well, I've got grandma sized ones, but anyway, I.

Speaker 1: 1:04:18

I am here for the grandma sized ones. They're more comfortable. Anyway, I need to thank you, lori, for following your intuition and putting yourself out there and starting the awake space, because it is such a comfort for me and it keeps me going. Every day. I'm in your Patreon, I'm a proud member, I tell everyone about you and I'm just so grateful.

Speaker 2: 1:04:39

Thank you so much, thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:04:42

Thank you for coming on.

Speaker 2: 1:04:42

Thank you so much for being a patron and I'm proud of you. Look at you.

Speaker 1: 1:04:46

Thank you High five High five, girl High five To my soul level human listeners. Thank you for already following the intuition to tune in today, and I'm so excited for everything that's in store for all of us on this journey together. I hope this episode has sparked your curiosity, inspired you to dig deeper and shown you that magic, awareness and soul level tools are for everybody Not just psychics or mediums, but normal, everyday humans just like you. If you've enjoyed this episode, please leave us a comment or review, share with a friend and subscribe for more soul level conversations. Until next time, remember that you are a courageous soul who came here on purpose and it's time to step into the human you came to be. You don't have to do this alone. I'm Sylvia Beatrice, and this is Soul Level Human.