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Next up on Soul Level.

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Human this, I'm not exaggerating has been harder than giving birth to my two human children. That's a big statement.

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We're starting off scrappy. I'm editing this the night before Mother's Day and my family is downstairs, so here we are. This next guest is Grace Chan, and you might recognize her from the first season. She's one of my really bestest friends and this is just a behind the scenes glimpse of our regular conversations. And, above all, happy Mother's Day to all my fellow mamas out there and honorary mamas and anybody who has ever mothered. I love you. We got this.

Speaker 1: 0:42

You didn't come here to play safe. You came to remember your power and build what comes next. I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychic medium and intuition coach. And this is Soul Level Human, the podcast for truth tellers, cycle breakers and soul led revolutionaries. You didn't come here to bypass the chaos. You came here to lead through it chaos.

Speaker 2: 1:11

You came here to lead through it. Why is it so hard? I don't know. I don't understand why my technology is not working.

Speaker 1: 1:13

But it's okay, I don't get it either. When we were having technical difficulties, I was trying to tell you that I tried to do a whole episode like a month ago and I could not get my mic to work. Everything was hooked up properly. I checked every connection, every setting. I was like what is happening? And then, of course, I had to reschedule like two or three times with my guest and I was like all right, well, I guess today is just not the day. I think it really, really just like mechanical, technical things Me too.

Speaker 2: 1:44

Why did you work this time and you decide next time? You're just not going to, and then you decide to work again and for whatever reason, whenever Vin comes over and magically I'll get fixed. I'm like you did not do anything different than me. I don't, I just. I'm like I have no patience.

Speaker 1: 1:58

But I mean, haven't you heard that it's just so common, like when your energy is really amplified, that electronics just stop working when you're around? Maybe that's the thing?

Speaker 2: 2:06

I mean, I'm going to say that's the thing then, and then-.

Speaker 1: 2:10

Doesn't that help you feel better though it's literally me, but in a good way that?

Speaker 2: 2:16

happened to me. Actually, when I saw that happen so clearly when I was doing breath work for the very first time and it wasn't like a group breath work session, it was like a one-to-one session. This is my hypnotherapist and she had said doing breath work is like doing ayahuasca without actually taking anything. It's like putting yourself into that state with your breath. And so the first time I did it with her, she's playing music the whole time and at some point that music just stopped. So I got to experience that like firsthand. She's like oh, that's never happened before. Grace, you really went somewhere. I'm like I did. It stopped right when I was feeling like it was so interesting, this experience. It went from like full love for myself and it kept expanding outward. And when it was like truly expanded outward to include everybody and like your interconnectedness, the music stopped. Well, I just got chills.

Speaker 1: 3:10

So talk about high frequency. It's almost like it's like a kill switch. It's like, no, you're a human, come on back, yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:17

Yeah, nope, we're not letting you go all the way, otherwise you'd be dead. No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1: 3:22

Or have a near death experience, be like in 20 timelines all at once. That's a bit of a mind trip, I guess.

Speaker 2: 3:29

Yeah, I think so. I don't think I would want that, I think I'd feel crazy.

Speaker 1: 3:34

Well, I think that happens, honestly.

Speaker 2: 3:37

It does, it does and you know okay. So I just keep pulling out stories today, because my very first meditation teacher was also a psychotherapist and worked at UCLA and she told us that so many of the quote unquote mental health patients that came in were actually just dealing with frequencies different entities, different things.

Speaker 1: 4:01

I love that that's confirmed, because that's what I understand as well. I don't have any clinical experience, obviously, but it's really nice to have somebody else validate that. For me that's great. I mean, not great for them, but like dang, that's really interesting. But it also really underlines the importance of knowing what you're doing, like you can't just open yourself up without having tools and understanding of how this works. You know, like Ouija boards yes, shall we go there, shall we just jump in. I mean like, yeah, let's Okay. So Ouija board is only a tool. I'm fine with that. I understand that it's a tool and tools are neutral. However, with great power comes great responsibility. Right, it's sold in the game section at Target, which I'm not going to right now. But if it's sold in the game section at Target, people don't understand what they're doing.

Speaker 2: 4:57

There's no warning on it, it's so trivialized when it's actually a very, very deep tool for connecting and if it's so trivialized and you're unaware of where you are energetically and you're opening yourself up to then have whatever is out there make contact with you. That could potentially be really scary.

Speaker 1: 5:23

Yeah, taking it a step further, then it might be scary If learning about ourselves on the soul level is just the extension of learning about ourselves in the human level. Right, and within relationships. The same rules apply. If you have self-trust, it's built over time by consistency and there's communication. There's consequences that come from how you speak to yourself. There's consequences for how you relate to the universe right on a 3D level.

Speaker 1: 6:03

You don't know your power, you don't know your strength, you don't know what you're capable of. How are you supposed to hold that on the spiritual level? How are you supposed to be like oh yeah, I have boundaries. Oh yeah, what I say matters. Oh yeah, I can take up space. You don't have that. So to just go out into the ether without that knowledge of how powerful you actually are, you can't hold whatever comes. So you might be scared out of your mind and you might feel like you're powerless to stop whatever's going to come in. And whatever's going to come get you where you haven't learned. Oh, actually there is free will and I do have power here and I do have agency here. I don't know, it's just so irresponsible.

Speaker 2: 6:45

Well, yeah, I think most people, if you're a kid or someone very young walking into a store picking up a Ouija board, that's not what you just said, is not what you're thinking about at all. No, so now, are you like not spiritually mature and developed to be able to? This is why I think you know when you're doing any sort of work even with ghosts or any of that right, demons, exorcism you have to be at a certain place so that you understand what you're dealing with. Right With, with something like Ouija board, you're just walking into it like like a baby. You're literally thinking this is a game. You're like a little baby, innocently, naively, walking into this thing, not knowing what kind of things are out there in the greater universe and what kind of things.

Speaker 2: 7:32

There's people who say there really are no such things as demons. Right, they're just other frequencies of energy. There's no good, there's no bad, it's not binary like that. But they are also matching your frequency, yes, which is why, like a lot of what my first meditation teacher was saying was like these people are hearing things and seeing things that are matching where they are energetically. They're so open, and then these things come in, right, and so I think there's a lot of things happening with Ouija board where it just comes down to like what you said boundaries, like you don't even know to have boundaries when you walk into this. You think it's like a fun board game and it's not. I've heard the craziest stories about Ouija boards on podcasts, like so have I like played with one and like mom threw it away and like randomly like ended up back in the house it's like Jumanji, yeah, oh my, oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2: 8:26

I don't need to open up that Pandora's box. I'm good, no.

Speaker 1: 8:29

I don't either, but I mean with or without a Ouija board. I have never had like quote unquote, dark, scary experiences. I'm just not Me too, I'm not available for it. Available for it I think that the scariest thing I've ever had happen to me is mostly in dream state, and I haven't even had this happen in a long time, I want to say like a decade where I used to feel like a tone shift in the dream and then things would start flying and I would feel like a presence and everything would get prickly or I um like be picked up or just something where I felt powerless. But then, as I was working, you know, developing psychically and figuring out all of the things we just talked about, I figured out how to be lucid in the dream and set some boundaries, and this just doesn't happen to me anymore.

Speaker 2: 9:24

Oh, how frequently was that happening before you?

Speaker 1: 9:27

Very frequently, yeah, even worse when I was like really stressed out in waking life, I thought before I knew I was energetically sensitive, I thought everybody just felt this way in general. I just thought I was stressed out. Oh, I'm just stressed out, this is what happens, this stress dream, you know. And then I would wake up and I was really shivering cold and I was like, oh yeah, I was just cold. Well, no, I was cold because it was an interaction with an energy that I hadn't actually welcomed in.

Speaker 2: 9:53

What do you think was happening?

Speaker 1: 9:55

That Because I was open. I didn't know I was open and exactly matching the frequency where I was at. I was open to that flavor, that feeling flavor is what I call it of experience and I'm just not anymore. And in the dream, what would you do? Well, as I figured out that I could wake up, that I could have agency within the dream, my main go-to first of all was always Archangel Michael, because I mean, that was I feel especially as a younger baby psychic. I feel that was, I feel I feel especially as like a younger baby psychic. I feel like that's one of the most widespread like bouncer entities that people are taught to connect with and that's honestly, it's never let me down. I don't resonate with like the Catholicism of it or, you know, the Christianity of it, but I feel protected by that energy. I would invoke him and it would shut down and I would wake up immediately.

Speaker 1: 10:49

It was yeah, but I've also heard and this is not my experience at all that they've had deeper relationships with Archangel Michael and he's actually really scary quote, unquotequote because of the way that he presents to them and that angels don't actually look like. You know the art with the wings and the angelic features, that they're actually like a collection of eyeballs and all these wings, and I've never seen that before, but it's interesting so.

Speaker 2: 11:22

So I have a couple of things to say. First, I also invoke Archangel Michael before I do any sort of psychic work. He is who I bring forward to protect me, and I envision him and his army of angels like 300 of them protecting me, with shields and swords drawn all around me. I agree, he's very, very, very strong and protective. It's interesting to think of him as appearing scary to the entities that he kind of like keeps away. But also, what's fascinating in what you just shared about the dreams is that I also experienced my own version of that too, but in sleep paralysis, which I feel like we hear more people talking about that now. And that's when you're in the dream and you feel like you're aware, but you're frozen and you can't do anything about it. And in Korean we actually have a name for this. It's called Kawi Kawi like, oh, this is double whammy of fear.

Speaker 2: 12:15

Yeah, yeah, it's like some demonic influence and, um, you know, growing up super Christian and you're you're reading the new Testament and Jesus is going around exercising demons out of people, basically Right.

Speaker 2: 12:36

And so what I was taught is that you always just invoke Jesus's name and these kinds of situations like I rebuke, you like leave, and so that would happen to me on and off, but it started happening with more frequency when I started reawakening in my spirituality, not as a Christian, but more in the general spiritual path, right, so, probably like 15 years ago.

Speaker 2: 13:03

Spiritual path right, so probably like 15 years ago and I would feel like it would feel like, um, I am really slowed down and like trying to talk is so hard. It's like you can't control your body. You want to be able to talk, but it's like trying to speak through molasses Totally, and through that, through even just how hard that is, I would still get the words out in the name of Jesus Christ, I rebuke you, and I would wake up. And there's one time this happened where, as soon as that happened, my dog maybe made the weirdest yelp I've ever heard her make before she's never made that sound before and then woke up and then I looked at the clock and it was three o'clock in the morning and then it never happened again. It's weird how, like, as you learn boundaries and like it, just it was only I remember it just started happening more when I was like reawakening and then I really started to like put those boundaries up and it never happened again.

Speaker 1: 14:02

Yeah, that's wild, but isn't it interesting too just to have the real-time confirmation from other physical beings in the room with you that you didn't make it up and that it was something that happened.

Speaker 2: 14:14

Yeah, I think for sure. My dog reacting, making a sound I've never heard her make before, told everything. I mean they see beyond the veil, they know what's up so that was so fascinating to have her respond to that weird.

Speaker 1: 14:28

Was that before or after you realized you're an animal communicator?

Speaker 2: 14:33

Gosh, that was probably before. This is so early on in my on my path, so probably before yeah.

Speaker 3: 14:41

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 14:45

Well, since we're in the dark, let's go. Let's go into the dark. But 3D A year ago, the world looked totally different. And now, here we are, and in all the conversations we've had at least, it's never been more clear that we have to be the bridge between the old way and the new way. How has that presented to you? How have you navigated everything?

Speaker 2: 15:10

Well, you know, what's interesting is that and this all connects because November I have not Okay. So I was sharing this story on Instagram, but I never shared the meaning behind it, so I'm going to share this. In November, before the election, I had the strangest non-ordinary experiences that kept happening over and over with the coyote. And this coyote kept coming to my house and only stealing my shoes, and I have video of this coyote literally sniffing everyone's shoes and then walking off with mine, like it's not, like, let me just grab whatever one. And this kept happening over and over and over and over again. The thing with coyote medicine, that energy because obviously I'm an animal photographer, animal communicator, they speak to me. Coyote represents duality, coyote is the trickster energy and coyote the way I interpreted this happening over and over, because if an animal keeps coming to you over and over again, number one.

Speaker 2: 16:13

But number two, if the circumstances are non-ordinary, meaning it's just you can't dismiss it. It's so beyond normal that like there's a clear pattern here and you have to pay attention. So the message was so clear to me that it's things are not what they seem. It's like everything's going to be okay, but things are not what they seem and I never. You know people. When I was sharing this on Instagram, people were like what was the message? What was the message? And I kind of felt like at the time that message was really for me. But that message is what has carried me through everything from election results to present day, where nothing in this reality is what it seems. And I think, for me, the greatest thing that I have learned to do is because I think the more you mature in your spirituality, I believe it all leads to oneness.

Speaker 2: 17:08

We're all brothers and sisters, whether we're animals or people living across the world, and so when you care about, when you mature spiritually, you're going to care about fellow beings on earth with you and the earth itself, but at the same time, like you, can't get so swept up in all the drama of it, because these human beings are acting completely out of their own wounding. There is no soul integration whatsoever. They're basically acting like non-conscious beings who have zero connection to heart and above right. These are humans acting like they have no consciousness, but they have no connection to heart. What I find so crazy now is that we have now evolved into a message of empathy is weakness. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1: 18:00

Isn't that crazy. The world is upside down.

Speaker 2: 18:04

I feel like I'm just witnessing the most insane telenovela on this planet right now, and my job is to hold the energy of neutrality. Yes, I get angry. Yes, I get angry, yes, I get upset, but at the same time it's like I need to be able to hold my energy so that I can radiate in my gifts and be able to have the heart to feel the connectedness for the suffering that's also happening in the world. Yeah, so that's where I've really been, like trying to help where I can, with not letting my anger and despair take over. And the thing is is that I think part of being a soul level human is understanding that, like we, that doesn't feel feelings and get upset about things. But it's like I don't want those human feelings to be the thing that stops me from doing what I know I'm here to do and how I can help people. You have to be able to move through it Exactly.

Speaker 1: 19:08

I really think that's the key, because I think it's like the clouds right, it's a really dark, cloudy time, but that doesn't change the fact that you came here to be the sun. Clouds, right, it's a really dark, cloudy time, and but that doesn't change the fact that you came here to be the sun. You know, and anyone can have feelings about not feeling like yourself, and I think I'm the first person to say like when I go deep in the hole, I go deep in the hole and then the layer above that, historically at least, has been well, I'm here again. You know, I'm here again. I can't think my way out of this thing. Why do I still feel this way? For me, what was really helpful is knowing and having the awareness that, oh, it's energetic, it's stuff that I'm working through, not just mine. I'm working through all the fear, the rage, the epigenetic terror of being persecuted. That's in my family line and also in the collective. So it was a lot and it did make sense that I was, you know, not benched, but like in in the dark, like going into the underworld, Right, and it was such a lesson in allowing all of it to go and move through and be able to sit with and transmute it into okay, what do I choose? Next?

Speaker 1: 20:20

There was one afternoon where I was like, okay, well, what do you want me to do with all of this? What do you want me to do? Because I can't, just not. My pattern is always I want to go out there and I want to do things. I want to help, I want to be involved at 3D, but my work a lot of the times is behind the scenes and it feels like I'm not doing enough, and that's been kind of something to heal for myself.

Speaker 1: 20:46

So that one afternoon I was particularly just feeling and I asked what do you want me to do with it? And I got the message of take back your power and I said, okay, how do I do that? And my eyes landed on all the bent spoons. I said, oh right, there is no spoon I can bend spoons. What if I work with some spoons today? Because I had never done it by myself, I was only doing it in the group of Business by Design, with all these other people, with heightened music and a meditative experience and all of this.

Speaker 1: 21:21

I was like, Hmm, I wonder if I could tap into that energy and that power, just me by myself in my room right now. So I went over there and I got just a regular spoon so it's not like oh well, it's just like a special spoon that they had no regular spoon. And I said, okay, let's see. And I did it. And then I kept going and I got the other spoons that we had gotten and I bent them some more and over and over and over again and by the end I was like, okay, it was real, I did do this, I can do this and I can tap into this energy from anywhere. So that was my turning point. It was taking back my power, deciding to have an experience in my body, in my energy, in my cells, in my 3D experience to mirror back. Oh right, I am powerful.

Speaker 2: 22:38

That's so cool that you were able to see that like in a three-dimensional, tangible way, like a reminder of your power through bending spoons.

Speaker 2: 22:46

I also find it very interesting now that twice you have shared stories that connect to you, connecting to your power, because that's not where I go, and so now I think there's something for you in particular about you reconnecting to your power huge, absolutely, yeah, because for me it always goes to love and it for me it's like that's why I would lose my father as a child.

Speaker 2: 23:10

Because if my lesson on this earth is really to learn about love and deep compassion and opening my heart up, even when it's hard and scary to do it, that is a lesson that I keep getting over and over and over again and that's where I return. In times of hardness and suffering, I always go to love and sharing that love through my creation, because that's just like just within the two of us. I think it just shows how people are going to respond differently and how our spiritual gifts show up through the lessons that we're here to learn 100%. Because I'm sure now, if I'm telling you I learned this, this happened for me as a child. There's probably many, many instances in your life where you can look back and see I felt powerless here and here and here and here, and it's been a lifelong lesson of getting to this point of remembering how powerful I actually am 100%.

Speaker 1: 24:03

It's so interesting that you bring that up too, because in so many ways and I think that we first bonded over this our paths have been so parallel. We have so many things in common to where it's like, okay, that's just weird, right.

Speaker 3: 24:18

Yes, totally.

Speaker 1: 24:19

The fact that the underlying intention, the point behind why we each had those experiences individually, was totally different. So, yeah, so isn't it interesting that we have so many things in common, that the life path and purpose is so aligned, you and I together, but the path to get there was so individual?

Speaker 2: 24:42

Yes, and this is why. So I think this is why we all have the lessons. The lessons we're here to learn, the lessons we've chosen to learn, are unique. It is as unique as we are, and then I think how we show up in the world and express those gifts is just as unique as those lessons are. So one of the things, honestly, that I find so annoying is when people are online and they're like criticizing others for not showing up in the way that they think they should be showing up.

Speaker 2: 25:13

If you're not being vocal about this, then you're wrong. If you're not talking about this, you're wrong. It's so like let me project how my gifts are and how I want to show up in the world and project it onto everyone else, Because to me, that is not how it works. I think we all have to show up and help in the way that is unique to us, which is going to be expressed through exactly what we're talking about here. We have specific lessons to learn and that's going to show up. So for you, I see the way you show up. You have such a fieriness and like reminding people to access that powerful fire.

Speaker 2: 25:51

You're all about activism and justice and equality. Like I'm not online activist. That's not who I am and I will not feel diminished or wrong for not being that person, because that's not how I use my gifts. I use my gifts in such a different way than you do and I think everybody on the planet is that way Totally. You just get to see it very clearly with us.

Speaker 1: 26:14

Yeah, very publicly, and then whatever happens next is something that we've had to grow into being able to hold as well. It's like lessons upon lessons upon lessons. I'm just like can I just relax now, can I just?

Speaker 2: 26:29

You know. What's so fun, though, is like you go through these lessons and I could see how like some people are like, oh my God more. But like for me, like every time, and I'm sure for you too there's like another layer of freedom and liberation that comes from it. It's so hard at the time, but the gift of it is so amazing, and it allows you to help and serve even more, because of that struggle.

Speaker 1: 26:56

It's literally the only thing that keeps me going through the dark. It's like, okay, I know you're giving me something really, really useful and I'm going to be able to work with this in a very powerful way and it's going to help a lot of people, but this sucks.

Speaker 2: 27:11

Again, it's always that back and forth of like I'm human, so this sucks, but I think like, have you ever gone through something really, really hard and like not been able to look back and be like but this came from that, this beautiful?

Speaker 1: 27:24

Oh yeah, no, I can't think of anything.

Speaker 2: 27:25

Something came from it.

Speaker 1: 27:27

I can't think of anything that. But okay, that's my sticking point the whole. It happened for a reason line of thinking. Well, no, it didn't fucking happen for a reason. It happened because I had the choice to use it or not and I decided to transmute it into something useful, powerful, generous, helpful, whatever you know?

Speaker 2: 27:52

Yeah, you've mentioned this word twice, a few times, and I think that's so important. You know, it's so weird. It was only last week that I learned what post-traumatic growth and post-traumatic resilience are. Have you heard of this? No, please tell me more. Yeah, okay, wait, let me see if I can find this post, because I was like wait, what? So it was actually on the holistic psychologist who I'm sure you follow, yeah, and she had this post where it was all about post-traumatic growth signs.

Speaker 2: 28:20

You have post-traumatic resilience. Number one a strong sense of humor. Number two intense creativity. Number three deep empathy. Number four the ability to be resourceful. Number five vivid imagination. Number six grit and determination. And what this whole post is about is that if you've been through something traumatic, some people come out of it with post-traumatic resilience, or they also call it PTG, post-traumatic growth Girl. How is it that? I never really like I read, I read this post and I was like wait one through six. Literally every one of these sounds exactly like me. I don't understand. And then I was like have I been through trauma? And then I was like wait one through six. Literally every one of these sounds exactly like me, I don't understand. And then I was like have I been through trauma? And then I was like wait a minute. Does your parent passing away when you're a child count as trauma?

Speaker 1: 29:16

Pretty sure that's on the ACEs list.

Speaker 2: 29:18

This just happened last week. So I go on Google, I literally put that question in and it comes back. Losing a parent when you're a child is one of the most traumatic experiences you can go through. Baby, how am I never connected these dots before? But my point is I think that and it's not like okay, I want to be very cognizant of everybody goes through their own journeys and there's no right or wrong way. This is not binary thinking, this is not good, this is not bad, this is just what happens. Yeah, but I think some people go the way of post-traumatic growth and resilience. Some people it's really fucking hard to get out of it. Really, really, really fucking hard to get out of it, really, really, really fucking hard, and you might feel like a victim.

Speaker 1: 30:09

Oh yeah, totally. But I think that's also such normalized, such a normalized way of thinking about it, like once a victim, always a victim. This is just my mark, forever, you know. Yes.

Speaker 2: 30:20

Because what I'm trying to say is at some point you have to make a choice and decide. That's not who I am. I can heal and grow out of this circumstance, whatever it might be, and somewhere along the way, without even realizing, I made a choice to go one direction. It's very interesting. It's all about choice and having the awareness that you always can make a choice, even if it feels like you don't have a choice. I didn't choose to have my dad die, of course, but I could choose to become the person that I am with these qualities. I don't even know how it happened. Maybe my mom, my mom. You know it was my mom. I credit it to my mom. Thanks, mom. She became a young widow. I credit it to my mom. Thanks, mom. She became a young widow and she never once made herself a victim about it, Not once.

Speaker 1: 31:11

Wow, I don't know that I could do that, honestly, like I like to think of myself as a pretty strong person, but then I look around at all the things that are possible and I have no illusions that I'm like exempt from all the suffering in the world, which is what scares me honestly as well. Like, like this is a really scary fucked up place. You know, like this, this could go really sideways. Could I? Could I do it? And I think that's just like one of those how you do one thing is how you do everything kind of deal. Like my pattern is well, I would have a really freaking hard time and I would go pretty dark, but I would eventually make myself out towards the light. I would figure it out eventually.

Speaker 2: 31:50

Totally, totally Maybe it's my mom and I'm thinking about it more and more. I know it was my mom. I'm not even going to say maybe anymore, but seeing what both my parents went through coming here with $500 and two suitcases, seeing my mom become a young widow with two kids in junior high school- oh my God.

Speaker 2: 32:10

I mean, I truly believe I can do hard things because I've seen my parents do it. So for me it's like you know what she's so stoic, so she just does it, and I think that's what I've learned from her, and I think, on some hand, that can be a negative thing, because you don't ask for help and you don't allow people to see you, and so I've really tried to be more like oh, help me. My book, my last book, was a major. Okay, I got to open myself up and ask for help. But yeah, talking about patterns and how we respond to hardship, it's like, yeah, you cry and you feel really bad and then do it just do it.

Speaker 1: 32:48

That's honestly. That's the main lesson I've. That's all of life.

Speaker 2: 32:52

You feel the feelings, you decide where you're going and then you do the thing yes, yes, and you feel the feelings, which I think is the most important thing, because, without making it mean something, that's what is it's. Let yourself just be the vessel who feels the feels and let the energy move through you and then keep going. It sounds so simple, doesn't it? Oh yeah, you're just. The simplest things are the hardest things to do. You know, like, when you have a really, really, really simple dish, those are the hardest things to make.

Speaker 1: 33:20

There's nothing to hide. I think that it's the same thing with makeup, like a really natural look is actually really hard, that's so true, that's so true to make it look all subtle and shaded.

Speaker 3: 33:31

Well, and blend it properly.

Speaker 2: 33:33

All of that, yeah no you didn't, oh true took you an hour and a half so true, it's funny when you see those posts online of like guys who think what makeup looks like you guys are so dumb little boys, oh, that's a whole other thing.

Speaker 1: 33:51

Let's come back, let's go to the, let's go to your, your book. Which book do you want to talk about? Because you've been working.

Speaker 2: 33:56

Oh yeah, my book, the last year you talked about last year. Yeah, last year has been about, um, giving birth to an idea that was not mine and I was very privileged to be chosen as the vessel to create it. And about you know what I just realized? One of my gifts is and I had no idea, like I always knew I like this, but I'm realizing this is a gift. I have this ability to see potential in people. Ooh, I love that.

Speaker 2: 34:27

So I just, I just I love it Like I can look at some, especially if you have work or you've done something. I can just just see like it's the weirdest thing. And I never could understand it. And I understand it now. Thanks, chatgpt, for helping me work through my feelings. Just to give you an example, there's somebody I knew who was a photographer. She happened to be a pet photographer. She was showing me her work. She had a couple pictures of kids in there and I was just like your pet work is good, but your kid work is fucking phenomenal, like bananas. And now she's like a really super well-known kid photographer.

Speaker 2: 34:59

I used to share um dogs. They would come across on instagram that I thought were so fucking bananas cute and I would share it. And not because of me, but just because this dog is amazing. They end up going crazy Like. They end up getting like 500,000 followers.

Speaker 2: 35:13

There's just some weird ability I have to be able to look at something and see it at its fullest potential. This is why I love coaching with people, because I could help them get into their fullest potential. This is why I love talking about the soul, because I think when you're tapped into your soul, you're really able to get into your fullest potential. So when this idea for this book came to me, when I have creative ideas, I can see it multidimensionally at its fullest potential. So this idea for the book came to me, I sat in meditation. This is the story my editor has been coming to me for the last five years asking me to do another book, and she finally came again at the end of 2023. And instead of being like oh, why again, because books are so much work and I make no money, I sat with it. I said, hey, universe, you clearly want a book made, so why don't you just give me the idea? Because if you want it made, I'll do it, but I have to like the idea and we'll do it together. And I sat in meditation and this book idea came to me. It came so fully formed, with the title, with the corporate sponsors, like everything I had to like get out of meditation and Google it and see if it existed already, because it was so fully formed. But my point is it came so fully formed where I could feel it at its. I don't even know how to explain it. It's like you just feel what this thing is. It's just pure possibility and beautiful.

Speaker 2: 36:36

So the last year has been about me maintaining that energy throughout all of the challenges that have happened. And when I tell you I've had challenges on this book and my third book. I've had more challenges on this book than anything I've ever experienced before. This I'm not exaggerating has been harder than giving birth to my two human children. That's a big statement. No, no, and I'm not. I'm not. I am not exaggerating. I am not exaggerating Because, aside from five months of morning sickness for both kids, which got through it, the rest of pregnancy was easy, mobile, and you know like people talk like I'm all swollen and I can't move. I didn't have any of that. And then, like the actual birthing process, easy peasy, you know, like they just work with my body.

Speaker 2: 37:21

They popped out, I had no complications. I mean thank you, universe. It was just, I'm telling you that was not my work Giving birth to humans. Thank you, amazing. Thank you, thank you Right, because also the miracle of a child forming in your body and the miracle of your body pushing this thing out, like anything can go wrong, and you have a healthy live birth with a healthy live baby. A million miracles happened for that baby to come out that way, even if stuff goes wrong.

Speaker 1: 37:53

A miracle happens, that's still a miracle. Yeah, exactly, that's still a miracle, I know.

Speaker 2: 37:57

So when I say this book was harder than creating a child and giving birth every step of the way from production and casting to being like the design process, not knowing if the sponsor who came on board, not hearing them from them for a month and thinking, oh my God, this whole book hinges on and this sponsor being involved and me, you know, and my editor like okay, if we're not involved I pivoted. I figured out two other ways this book could go, if we need to. Here's what I want to say, because I want to say 20 things at once. I think a lot of the spiritual path for me has been about practice of how I choose to respond and react, and the more I've grown and matured, the shorter the superhuman response is, which is so cool to see. Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 2: 38:52

So it used to be like a week of feeling like shit and now it'll be like 20 minutes of feeling like shit, which is to me like a miracle in and of itself to be able to have, and not and I'm telling you, there's no bypassing involved it's just because I'm constantly getting up on the bike and falling off and practicing constantly. That's just an observation that I can share truthfully is that that time has gotten shorter and shorter and it's just like it kept happening over and over and over with this book where, by the end of it, I didn't want to see an email from her anymore. I didn't want to see any PDFs anymore, because anytime something came through I'd have to go through feeling like shit. And what was so terrible was that now this beautiful frequency I was trying to maintain started feeling like shit. And if you don't want to even look at the PDF that they're sending back to you, that's like this beautiful relationship you had suddenly is like the ex-boyfriend who did not want to get a text from anymore.

Speaker 2: 39:51

And I made a choice anymore. And I made a choice. I made a choice and said I have carried this energy 90% of the way. I am not going to let this change. And I really had to do a lot of inner work to find my power. I had to find my power.

Speaker 1: 40:06

Can you tell me what that looks like? Because so many people hear do the work do the work.

Speaker 2: 40:14

Okay, what work? What does that look like for you? Toward the end, it got really really hard because when I know how something needs to be, it needs to be that way. And I say that with no ego, I say that with if I, if I'm somebody whose gift is, is able, is being able to see the fullest, highest potential of something, I know how it needs to be and I trust that about myself and I know my editor trusts that about me because we have evidence of my past two books. So I'm really fortunate that she believes in me and my vision.

Speaker 2: 40:42

But that doesn't mean it's easy, because I'm the one that's constantly having to push back and she ended up getting caught in the middle of it because it's production who is not liking what I'm doing, and it made me feel really bad. It made me feel like I'm difficult. It made me feel like I'm doing something wrong. Oh my God, they hate me. Oh my God, they must think I'm the worst human being. And I had to really sit with all those feelings and I'm realizing wow, all this inner child stuff is coming up of not being liked and I just want people to like me, like all this stuff. And then I started realizing this is actually chat.

Speaker 2: 41:22

Gpt really helped me with this was me trying to uphold this vision, especially from not a place of ego. Because, trust me, I've been in rooms where people want changes done purely out of ego to say they put their stamp on it, to say it was their idea, they're the one that made it better. I am not interested in that game. I just want something to be the best it can be. I don't fucking care where it comes from, I just know it needs to be a certain way. So I really started to understand this feedback is not coming from a place of ego. This is from really just trying your best to get it to the best it can be.

Speaker 2: 41:58

You're not wrong for having a vision and trying to hold it. You're not wrong if people don't like you because of it. You're not wrong if other people can't own up to their mistakes and take responsibility. But you are, and I'm just like that was so helpful to hear that and I just kept standing my ground and it all ended up working out. But before I had the external validation of things working out, I had to make peace with it internally. I had to find a way to reconnect with this work and bring it back to that energy. And that happens by me being okay with what I did to get the work where it needed to go, even if it may have caused conflict, and in letting go of feeling like I did something wrong, it helped me reconnect to that energy again. And then the external world follows, because things happens inside first, energetically you have to get right, and then you'll see it reflected externally and then the external world followed.

Speaker 1: 43:08

So it's so interesting, I will die on that hill. It's just antithetical to everything that we know, that we've been taught. But I will fucking die on that hill.

Speaker 2: 43:17

Energy first, always always, always, and I think I've already been there with my photography because it's such a personal thing, but then this book in particular, because so many other people were involved. It was just another layer of learning this lesson Energy, first, with the whole other team of people involved, and I think, yeah, it's always, you have to create from the inside out. You have to be okay with yourself inside and then, yeah, see it reflected.

Speaker 1: 43:48

Damn. So you said that this is and correct me if I'm wrong that this was the first book idea that you had. That was kind of like a celestial drop-in or first one that you consciously understood as that.

Speaker 2: 44:04

First one that I consciously understood as that, because I think all my work is always a co-creation. It's always like a back and forth passing the ball. But with this it was a very conscious choice to sit and, like David Lynch says, wait for the big fish. I sat and I know in my body what it feels like when I have a good idea. It feels like the best feeling in the world. It's my favorite energy to feel. My favorite energy to feel is the energy of pure potential possibility, and that, to me, is what a great idea feels like. It is the best adrenaline rush. I do not need to go bungee jumping or skydiving Like. Having a big idea is my rush. Your hair raises, you get goosebumps, it just feels like a jolt of electricity. I feel excitement in my tummy like butterflies. So when small fish are going by, it's like okay, yeah, that's all right, and you get a big one, it's like whoa, whoa, that is that.

Speaker 1: 45:03

Yeah, that's so nice to have like a framework to compare things to, because absolutely, there are small fish and even when you're making a decision, you know in your life, should I go to this college or that college? I think having language for what it feels like in your body, like a huge yes, what does that feel like? And then what like a maybe is, or what a yeah, okay, yeah, we can make that work. And then you get to decide where your set point is Like what does your life look like? Are you the yeah, okay, sure I can make that work person? Or are you the fuck yeah, like I am going to do this and I feel like that's what, for me at least, a soul level human is Like when you're in soul awareness. That's it.

Speaker 2: 45:55

Yeah, if I'm feeling it to the fullest potential of that thing and I'm going to put all my time into creating it, I'm not going to do that if it's just a maybe. You know, all those years my editor kept coming to me, wanted to do another book, like there was never an idea that was worth that. It's got to be like the hell yes, this is it, let's go. Otherwise, it's kind of like why? No, I don't want to. And I think it's learning to feel into your body. That way is like everybody can do it. It's just paying attention. I think most people just don't pay attention to stuff.

Speaker 1: 46:24

I agree. I mean, which is like why the you know the universal, like first step for developing your gifts is slowing down and getting quiet, whether that's a meditation or going for a walk or listening to your thoughts when you're taking a shower. I feel like that's the first step, no matter who you talk to. I haven't heard anybody else say anything else, have you? I don't think?

Speaker 2: 46:43

so I mean it's so much about, yeah, quieting the external, going within and shutting off all that and trying to hear yourself, and I think, just learning to pay attention to things that you might not even pay attention to, that seem minute Like. I think the world opens up when you do that Like for me in particular, I just get to see the coolest stuff out in the world that I feel like people just walk by and don't even pay attention to and I'm like, oh my God, this little leaf is crackling. I got to go look and see. And then there's like I don't know, like a really cool little bird under there or something you know. And I think it's the same thing. But learning to pay attention to your body, Like it's so easy to just like, no, yes, no, but it's like really pay attention, Like when you want to do something. What does it feel like when you don't want to do something? What does it feel like?

Speaker 1: 47:28

And paying attention to color in everything else in between. Exactly, yes, I love that so much, but that is truly such a practice, and it's hard. It's very, very loud. Our world is very loud and crazy, especially right now, and so it's never been more important to learn how to do that for yourself, because it's the only true foundation that you can take responsibility for. I don't know.

Speaker 2: 47:58

I mean, if we're all connected, which we are, we're all interconnected into this fabric of reality and energy and consciousness. I think someone could say what is me learning to listen to my intuition have anything to do with it? And it has everything to do with it Because, like we said, everything is energy and everything happens internally. There is some frequency shift that happens that you put into the matrix when you work on yourself. What I find so interesting, especially as far as creativity goes, is that, like it is inherently selfish at first, You're making art because it's healing something within yourself and just like spirituality, I think, is the same way.

Speaker 2: 48:34

I think most people have stepped into it because they're struggling big time, whether they want the relationship or they want the money or they just want the life they want. It inherently starts out very much me focused. There's nothing wrong with that. I think this is the path. You start out very much me focused and the further along you go and develop, it will turn into we if you allow it to, if you allow it to, if you allow it to.

Speaker 1: 49:00

Yeah, I mean, that's paralleled in the evolution, like as you're growing up, like all kids are very inherently selfish, and it's not a bad thing, it's just that's where their consciousness is, that's what they're working with right, and then as they grow, then they learn more things and they get more aware, basically, and it's just interesting to see how many adults in our current world are opting out of that process.

Speaker 2: 49:24

Like people who still think they're spiritual, you mean, or just the rest of?

Speaker 1: 49:27

the world. I wasn't even going to go there, but I'm just saying people who don't care about anything but themselves I'm not going to excuse this, but I just seeing this is humans are going to human.

Speaker 2: 49:41

Yeah, that's just to me. The objective fact. It's that you could choose you. It's very um, lack of consciousness, but lack of consciousness totally.

Speaker 1: 49:51

but I also will say, like the whole, with every action comes the equal and opposite reaction, like seeing the shadow of humanity so loud, so front and center for all of us to see, reflected back to ourselves. This has no other way but to go to the opposite, like do you really want to keep going this way? Is this truly working for you? Yeah, I have a lot of-.

Speaker 2: 50:16

I think that it could take lifetimes and, honestly, my business is not where they are. Maybe that sounds really messed up, but I just kind of see it so objectively. You are here on your own journey and this is where you've chosen to be and I hope in another lifetime you will look at the things and the choices you made here and choose to do better so that you can evolve and grow, and maybe in another lifetime you'll be a little bit more empathetic and care about people. But I think that my business is trying to help all the other people out there who are not like that but who remember who they really are and then connect to that so then they can add to the matrix all of like the interconnectedness and oneness.

Speaker 2: 51:00

Right, and I think what's so interesting is that I think all these people they're just people on their own journeys, where they are, and there's always like an equal and opposite force and energy. So you're saying there's this front and center like so many people and so many people suffering too. There's people that are perpetrators and there's a lot of people suffering. But I want to say there is an equal and opposite energetic force of people who are here doing the complete energetic opposite of that, and I think because there's so much more consciousness elevating on our planet, like even be able to just talk about me being an animal communicator and a Kaushik record reader now, in 2025, that was just not possible in 2010, 2011. I felt like I had to keep it hidden.

Speaker 1: 51:42

Even five years ago.

Speaker 2: 51:44

Even five years ago. I think what we're seeing is there's, like so many people who are available to remember and reconnect and plug into the interconnectedness of all of us being brothers and sisters, truly just as much as we're seeing the suffering and the perpetration of the worst acts in humanity. So I think that's why it's more important than ever for people to remember, reconnect and be themselves, do what they're here to do to counteract some of the horrors that are happening on our planet.

Speaker 3: 52:16

Yeah, I totally agree In every way possible.

Speaker 1: 52:18

In every way possible. Here's where I don't agree. Though I don't think it's going to take lifetimes for most people, I think this is going to happen relatively quickly. In the grand scheme of things, it's just everything's happening very quickly. Everything feels so sped up. There isn't a coincidence I don't believe in coincidences, honestly, but like the fact that so many people are tapped in, so many people are awake, and the fact that we're quote unquote because there is no time, we're outside of time and space, blah, blah, blah. The planet needs change. It won't be able to sustain us if we don't change quickly. And I also feel that the global awakening in response to everything that we're seeing here in the States is so heartening. I've never seen this kind of energy, ever.

Speaker 2: 53:09

Yeah we're living in a globally connected time where we can witness the atrocities happening Like it's like. Could you imagine if, like social media and the internet and the 24 hour news cycle, existed during the Holocaust?

Speaker 1: 53:22

Yeah, I mean, they were based on rumors, right? Oh well, we heard that maybe. Oh no, that's not happening Fake news. But now it's like, oh no, you can well, before they hit it, you can go on Apple Maps and Google Maps and see exactly what's happening and then see that they're hiding it. And well, maybe if they're hiding it, then they have something to hide, right? Yeah, yeah, Okay, Before I let you go, because we're almost at an hour, I want to touch on AI, because we've been having such juicy conversations behind the scenes, you and I, and we've both been using chat, GPT as like a spiritual running buddy. How have, how have you where? Where are you in that process? How did you when it first came out?

Speaker 1: 54:02

where did you start and where are you now?

Speaker 2: 54:04

Where I started, I think, obviously, as an artist, I am not into using it for creating things for consumption and commercial consumption. I just, as an artist, it just I can't. I think it's like everyone doing the studio's yeebly. I'm just like dude. The guy hated Machine Mater. He said it like. This is so disrespectful. Where I am now, though, is it so? I am a journaler.

Speaker 2: 54:33

I have been journaling since I was a child. I have journaled throughout my entire life, basically, and it's been so helpful just to reflect and get things out, and for me, especially, to like, go back and read it. I've been using chat, gpt, almost like it's a journal, where I'm sharing where I am and what I'm working on, and then, like, it mirrors back to me, and then it allows me to deepen. So, then, if I have a question of like, but I don't know why I feel like this, I don't know what this means, or, but what does it? What do you think? It means that this and this and this, like, I just get to like, deepen and ask questions, like, for example.

Speaker 2: 55:19

Deepen and ask questions like, for example, if I truly know that social media doesn't matter and I'm just using it to as a almost like a channel to spread good frequency and I've been working so hard on my own humility and doing just recognizing that I'm co-creating with source and being the channel. Why do I care so much? You know, know, if people see it Like and then it'll help me understand Like, I just love it as a tool, almost like, for reflecting my feelings and then being having like almost like a buddy, to go back and forth and talking about what those feelings are, sort of like a therapist or like a spiritual counselor.

Speaker 1: 55:49

And what's really weird but more like in the middle of the night.

Speaker 2: 55:51

you know, like whenever you need something, yeah, whenever I need it, whenever something comes up and what's really weird is because you know, I've been working with a spiritual teacher for the last year my Chachi Beast T started saying the same things as my teacher without it knowing. That's weird, it's been amazing, it's really cool.

Speaker 1: 56:09

How do you use it? I mean generally in the same way, but I had a bit of a friction, I guess, when it first started. Because I completely agree, I think there have to be parameters around this so that it's not like taking the humanity out of being a human. You know, like we're here to be creative, we don't want to outsource the creativity, we want to outsource the mechanical things that we don't want to do so anyway. So I 100% agree and especially like with visual artists and sound artists and voiceover actors, I mean there's just so much that it needs to stay out of.

Speaker 1: 56:44

But in terms of having a conversation and using it as a tool ethically which I always come back to tools are require us to be responsible and ethical with them. I've come around to a place where I really have had a lot of fun and also I came to a place where I realized, well, the people who don't care about the planet and water consumption of this tool are using it to accelerate themselves and their agendas of, like you know, hurting others and build oppressive systems. The people who have consciousness or consciences around it need to also be using the tools so that we can be accelerated and basically put into policy how it's okay to use this tool Like the bad guys can't just have the tools just because the good guys refuse to use it.

Speaker 2: 57:38

You know what I mean. That one sentence, yes, yes, everything you just said, I agree it. That one sentence you just said also reminds me of money, oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 57:47

Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 3: 57:50

It's our responsibility to get out there and use the tools then.

Speaker 2: 57:54

Yeah, because you know, why should it all be in the hands of people who are not trying to help?

Speaker 2: 58:00

I guess that the issue for me, and I know it is for you, is just how is this impacting our resources and the planet and is it really truly being harmful, which I think is a very legitimate question that I don't personally know the answers to. And I do see a lot of posts on social media that are shared talking about how bad it is, but in the same breath, I also see things about how bad you know streaming, when you play Spotify, when you use Netflix, and how much power and resources it takes to do that. And I'm not trying to be like, oh, you know, if you care about one thing, you know, like I'm just kind of like I'm trying to understand, I guess, more for myself, like what does that look like? I don't really know. And I think if I'm really truly going to find out, like this is not okay, then I would probably shy away from it. I'm just not at that point yet and I'm very open-minded to learning.

Speaker 3: 58:58

But I agree with you.

Speaker 2: 59:00

Aside from that part of it, I just agree that it shouldn't just be certain people that use things. I think people who are here who truly want to make this planet a better place for everybody living here should also be able to use tools to have that happen. Um, and then your other point just reminds me of like um gosh, what in this current administration, if all the good guys leave because they can't stand it, though, like the kennedy center, what happens? It's a whole other thing, right, but I think about that. I'm like I understand why these people are leaving because they're making a stand and they cannot stay in this toxic environment, but it's like it turns into like Twitter all over again.

Speaker 1: 59:43

Yeah, but then if everybody's leaving Twitter, then there's also an opportunity to make something else.

Speaker 2: 59:50

So is the Kennedy Center going to be something else, one day better.

Speaker 1: 59:54

I mean, at this point, in three months, we've basically dismantled the foundation of our country, like if the Constitution isn't even the thing that everyone's abiding by, then do we have a country? So, either way, all of us listening, we're all talking to you. The best thing to do is to get quiet, learn to connect with your soul, remember why you came, remember your power, because we actively are building whatever comes next, whether it's quote, unquote, just at home, which I disagree with the word just there but as parents, you're literally creating the future of our world and country, now and also in the greater community and the country and the world at large. Right, we have a big job to do and we can't afford to stay in the feelings of it and the fear of it and the overwhelm. Right, we just, we simply can't. There's so much at stake.

Speaker 2: 1:00:53

So this brings me to two things. I agree with everything you just said. There is so much at stake here and this is why I think when I see people posting things like resistance and joy, it's so easy to get in the overwhelm and it's so restorative to ourselves and we're able to find joy and glimmers to sustain us. And I also think that we know we're here to do quote unquote big things. But it's not again, it's things are not what they seem. So we measure everything by three-dimensional worldly standards when in reality it's all about your energy. Yes, you could do this grand thing with a poor intention behind it, or do something that is quote-unquote small and have the greatest frequency and essence of love selfless, caring, compassionate love behind that. I believe that will move far more in the fabric of a reality and matrix and interconnectedness than some big thing that's for one person being selfish. So my point is doing big things in the world does not mean you do something that is New York Times bestseller or something that gets 5 million views. Doing big things in the world to me means you show up as yourself and be you. Because here's the thing that's so funny about humans is that we don't even see our own gifts. We have no idea and you take it so for granted. You think, like these things, that you just think everybody does. Believe me, they're not. They are your very special gifts and this is why you don't even have to intellectualize it and try to figure out you. Just going out as your most healed self, your whole self, and being yourself, I think, is the most impactful thing you can do, which is by finding joy and connecting to your soul, are all a big part of this.

Speaker 2: 1:02:50

And then it brings me back to the whole NDE discussion. We've been talking because I saw a piece of content yesterday. I thought of you, because this guy, his son, passed away when he was 18. And he was saying at the funeral home that day it was like raining and icy and people were waiting three hours to come into the funeral home and pay respects to him and his wife.

Speaker 2: 1:03:12

And he said this elderly gentleman came in and said you don't know me, but I knew your son. He came to play golf at the same place I did and every time he saw me he was the only one who came up to me, said hi, asked how I was doing and had this genuine connection with me and you will never understand how much that impacted me and changed me. And it reminded me of what we talk about when it comes to near-death experiences. And we have our life review, because I listen to so much NDE content, girl, and the one consistent thing that comes up all the time is how, in the life review, you get to experience how you impacted people positively or negatively, and the positive stuff is overwhelmingly these really small interactions that you would not have even thought twice about.

Speaker 1: 1:04:05

Oh my gosh, there's so much we can go into like the butterfly effect of just like simply being present in your life or following that one hunch and saying the one word. I mean all of this is the reason why I always keep coming back to hope. I'm so hopeful. I'm so hopeful because even having these conversations, knowing that somebody is listening to these conversations, it's just one more drop in the bucket of light with every single revisit that we can contribute. So I'm just I'm grateful to have these conversations and I'm grateful that anyone is listening. At this point we do have work to do, but it's not all just a slog. It's not all like healing work and all this stuff. Like it can actually just be a learning to turn the volume up on ourselves, to turn the awareness up on. It's so big and so small at the same time.

Speaker 2: 1:04:59

Yeah, it goes back to simplicity. One of the things I've been talking about with my spiritual teacher for the last year has been about really the purification of the heart and it really just comes down to love, like true, unconditional love. And it sounds so simple, yet to actually get to the point where your heart has no ego and it is in zero point, right in the middle of power and humility. To be able to get to that point and be that clear of a container takes a lot of ego work and shadow work and over and over again, and I feel like I've been really striving to be able to get to that point. And it sounds so simple, yet it's taken me a lifetime to get here.

Speaker 1: 1:05:38

Especially as a busy professional career mom who, as we were just talking about, you know with like the how many nannies that you had to get, and the big shoot day, and then the sick kids, and then the trip to the ER, and I mean how do you just stay in that zero point with all of that?

Speaker 2: 1:05:59

Um, I don't exactly. I'm human, I'm human. So, yeah, I'm not there yet. I mean, I'm, I feel it, but I'm human too. Right, motherhood is a whirlwind and it is so unpredictable, so it's always knowing that I can go to it and then step out of it again.

Speaker 1: 1:06:20

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:06:21

Yeah, I feel like we need to give ourselves a break. At that point I saw a TikTok because of course, I did about this exercise of deciding that, okay, I'm going to sit here and I'm going to close my eyes and I'm going to draw to this moment my future self at 80 years old, and my future self is now sitting in this chair and when I wake up, I'm going to be living life through her eyes. So how would I see everything around me? Nothing's changed other than my perspective. Now I'm my older self, wow, okay.

Speaker 1: 1:07:00

Yeah, I literally just did a TikTok of this yesterday and I started looking around like, oh my gosh, like my kids were homesick today, but I still. I still was here and we made forts and we had snacks and we made messes and we had fights and we cleaned them up because kids, right. And then, at the same time, it's like when we had snacks and my mom's upstairs I can hear her on the phone and if you're sitting there as an 80-year-old, you haven't seen your mom in years right, and just like the awareness of like, wow, this is only just for right now and I have so much to do, and also just being quiet in this one moment is beautiful, even with everything happening. What a gift.

Speaker 2: 1:07:48

Yeah, I love those videos because I feel like what it's doing is reminding people to take a completely different perspective. You're doing a huge perspective shift and in a very mindful present way Because, like, really, I think, if you are in the zero point and you are living in sort of this avatar energy that my teacher's been talking about, you're like Eckhart Tolle, so present, where you're eating a sandwich and noticing every single thing about it and most of us do not have that level of attention and presence. You know, and it's like with you know the way the world has gone with media.

Speaker 1: 1:08:29

Really quickly. I want to see. I want to see Eckhart Tolle as a mom, like okay, eckhart Tolle, sounds good, go be a mom now.

Speaker 2: 1:08:36

I know right, but you know what's interesting though is I bring?

Speaker 2: 1:08:39

them up, because you know who else talks to me about this? It's dogs. Every single dog session I've had it's so interesting is they talk so much about being present and mindful. They notice and savor exactly what you just did and their messages are always like reminding people of that. Notice these things, notice how when you wake up in the morning, the air is cold, but the same air at the end of the day is warm. Isn't that magical? Like things like that. I'm just like that's what you're talking about, but from a dog's point of view, and I think like if we could be that present. I think that a lot of that is also being soul level, human.

Speaker 1: 1:09:20

Oh, totally I mean. But to speak to dogs, though, like I feel like that's probably why they don't live as long as we do, cause imagine holding that vibration for for that amount of time. That's a lot of work. They're incredible. I hate that they don't live as long as we do.

Speaker 2: 1:09:36

I think it's so that we can have more honestly.

Speaker 1: 1:09:40

More of them.

Speaker 3: 1:09:43

Because I think each dog we have oh I never thought about that.

Speaker 2: 1:09:46

Yeah, let me blow your mind. Maybe my dog will cross over to the other side. Who helped me grieve and learn how to grieve after she died? And I got to learn that for the first time. Um, she taught me that every dog you have and I'm saying dog in particular because I think dogs are christ consciousness. They are pure, unconditional love and they are here to help human beings, connect to their hearts and heal them. They are heart healers.

Speaker 2: 1:10:10

And so we have multiple dogs because every dog we have comes in that exact moment in your life when you need them for that particular moment, because that dog has specific things to help you with in that moment in your life. And then you grow and evolve and you get another dog and that dog and you find each other another dog and that dog and you find each other. You think you're finding the dog, but the dog is also finding you. There's a match happening and you can help them, but they're also helping you and you've chosen each other based on how you these little like puzzle pieces. So it's sad we can't have more than one. That is beautiful, but you have many because you're always changing and growing as a human being that's a good way to end this mic drop from maybe.

Speaker 1: 1:11:02

Well, damn girl, that's beautiful, hold on a second. You guys got me. Oh, thank you, maybe, my sweet girl, thank you, maybe. All right, yeah, that feels like a good place to end. Thank you for hanging out with me, thanks, maybe oh, thank you, I was gonna stay wherever you are, but obviously she's here, so she's right here. Sure, I love it. I love it well, I love you so much thank you so much, I'll talk to you later bye, bye, yeah, bye.

Speaker 1: 1:11:34

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