Speaker 1: 0:00

Next up on Soul Level, human. The strategy is so important and you do want a great coach that can tell you what to do. The strategy is like the engine and the mindset, the woo-woo, the energy is the fuel.

Speaker 2: 0:13

It's go time. It's time to activate everybody and get people in touch with exactly what they're here to do, and that's why I believe in this work so strongly, because we have such an aligned mission.

Speaker 1: 0:28

I had this dream where I was in an Egyptian hall and we had a conversation that was about our soul contract and we both agreed we won't be together in every single lifetime because we have to allow each other to grow. But James said to me if anyone ever hurts you, I will find you. And I woke up and was bawling.

Speaker 2: 0:54

You didn't come here to play safe. You came to remember your power and build what comes next. I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychic medium and intuition coach, and this is Soul Level Human. I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychic medium and intuition coach, and this is Soul Level Human the podcast for truth tellers, cycle breakers and soul-led revolutionaries. You didn't come here to bypass the chaos. You came here to lead through it.

Speaker 2: 1:19

You might remember, last year I had my business coach, james Wedmore, on the podcast, and today I get to bring you the other half of the frequency that had my business coach, james Wedmore, on the podcast, and today I get to bring you the other half of the frequency that changed my business and my life Jenny Finley. Together, james and Jenny are the heart of Business by Design, a container built on strategy, service, intuition and soul. Jenny brings the energetic blueprint, the deep inner work and a presence that activates everyone around her, with tangible tools and real experiences that expand what you believe is possible. Let's dive in. Jenny Finley, I'm so excited you're here. Welcome to Soul Level Human. I'm so excited, so excited to be here.

Speaker 2: 2:04

Let me just start by saying we have someone in common that I met at BBD Live in 2023, by coincidence, right, uh-huh, kelsey Kennedy. Oh my gosh, I knew you were going to say.

Speaker 1: 2:15

Kelsey yeah. As soon as you said that, I was like it's going to be Kelsey yeah, it's theater kids.

Speaker 2: 2:19

Right Theater kids. We're just taking over the world a little bit at a time. It's so funny because, okay, I'm going to go into this whole thing, but just give me a second, I'll get there. Before I signed up for BBD, I hadn't heard of you or James at all. First of all, by some coincidence I keep saying coincidence, because we all know that doesn't exist I found the Mind your Business podcast and I was like hold on, wait a second. What Business and energetics? I'm in, right. So then I was like okay, business by design is opened. Checking with my guides, it's a hell. Yes, okay, great, literally going in blind. Okay, it's a yes, great, let's go. So I go in. I'm also in this other program and we're like who's going to be at BBD live in December? Let's meet up. And I hadn't done this other program at all, but something intuition also said sign up for that program too. So I did.

Speaker 2: 3:11

At BBD Live, in a room of probably about 1,000 people, I ended up by coincidence quote unquote sitting next to this person who happened to be the one person who said let's meet up. This is like a group of like maybe five people. First of all, okay, and then, second of all. I'm in my little line with my drink ticket that first night, and then this girl comes over and she's like hi, I'm Kelsey, are you Sylvia? She was in this group too, and we just kind of gravitated towards each other as if by magic. We're really good friends to this day, kelsey and I, and I'm even going to go see her tomorrow. She just had a baby. I'm so excited to get to meet her.

Speaker 1: 3:49

Oh my gosh, yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:51

So all of this to say there's something magical that you guys are doing at BBD.

Speaker 1: 3:58

It's a very special environment. I look forward to that event every year. James jokes like, should we keep doing it? And I'm like we have to keep doing it. It's my favorite, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 4:08

You have to keep doing it. I won't let you guys listen 1-800-SYLVIA, and I will talk you guys back into it. Yeah, decides to not do it. Yeah, oh my God. So and here's my second part that I said I was going to get to. I'm like I said I walked in cold. I was like this feels like a hell. Yes, I don't know what I'm here for. I know, obviously, like I'm here for the business, training and whatever, but there was something else. And so I walk in and here you come in your hot pink blazer and I was like, oh, who is this? And everybody's like on their feet like yeah, jenny. And I was like who is this Jenny chick? And so you start talking and I'm like full body chills. I was like, oh, so I came to BBD for James Wedmore, but I'm staying for Jenny Finley. Ah, stop it, I love it. Full body chills, full body chills. Seriously, look at this, oh my God. So, since we're so close today, I cannot wait to just dive deep into all the things with you.

Speaker 1: 5:04

Yes, we today. I cannot wait to just dive deep into all the things with you.

Speaker 2: 5:09

Yes, we can talk for hours. We probably could. We're on purpose limiting this to like about an hour for everybody else's sake. I feel like we have so much more to go over. But okay, just to set up the scene. Family of origin. Was this energetic side of things already in your language? Did you discover it at some point? What was that for you?

Speaker 1: 5:29

So what's become my specialty niche, which is energetics and meditation and, in James's company, bridging the gap between business and intuition. It evolved over time. My family is Irish, native American, on both sides in fact, and my mom's side of the family the Native American heritage was passed down and we were encouraged to be really in touch with our spirituality and our intuitive nature. And I'm an identical twin and I you're. It's hard, you're hard pressed, to find identical twins that don't have some sort of psychic experience just naturally built in. So I think, growing up both with a very psychic, clairvoyant mom in a family that has Native American heritage and is really connected to that, uh, that like the connecting to spirit and and being able to communicate with each other non-verbally, plus my twin sister, and then when I grew up, um, I got really interested in studying all the world religions. Really we were raised Christian and then I just I started delving into all different religions, healing modalities, meditation techniques, from about 17 to well, still present, but like 17 to 20 year obsession really with like how many books can I read, how many teachers can I find, what courses can I take, what experiences can I have? A kindred spirit, yeah, to understand, and I was really like I dabbled in everything. I became a Reiki master, I did meditation schools, I studied Buddhism. I'm a yoga teacher. I've read tons of books on the subject and it's just kind of.

Speaker 1: 7:24

My favorite conversation is how human beings experience God. That's how I approached it was like what our spirituality is all around, like what is this experience that we have of our innate divinity? But also how we access divinity and how we are connected. And yet we feel separate sometimes, but we're all connected, like what you started with when we started the call. Just like these moments of synchronicity, of like what is that? What are the laws of the universe that are governing that? Why is energy responding to that? And now, since coming back into James's life, I work with a shaman and I've always just been riveted by that subject matter in general. So I'm a student of that first and foremost. And then, when I started teaching yoga, I found I had a gift for being able to communicate concepts to people in a way where they were grasping them or they were able to connect dots. I think that's one thing that my brain does really well. Is I connect dots well?

Speaker 1: 8:29

I remember one of my professors in college. I wrote a paper on the Christian Beatitudes connecting to the Buddhist Eightfold Path. Oh, that's awesome. My brain will make connections. And so that became a strong suit of mine, and when I decided that I really wanted to hone my intuition more beyond my immediate family, I started developing like a system for myself of how I was expanding my intuition. And now I teach that. But it came out of it's that Tim Ferriss expression like scratch your own itch. But it came out of it's that Tim Ferriss expression like scratch your own itch. Everything that I teach now has come out of, like my own enchantment with that particular arena of philosophy or spirituality. And James and I there's such a magic to that, jenny, yeah, yeah, I think that that's honestly. I think it's like a hack of like what do you want to teach or offer people? It's like teach them what you're fascinated with.

Speaker 2: 9:25

What are you excited about?

Speaker 1: 9:26

Yeah, I just had a really good conversation with a friend and a student in business by design about that too.

Speaker 1: 9:30

It's a concert trumpet player and now she teaches people how to make music synth music and she was talking about like it just opened a door for me when I learned it and I thought, oh, I can open this door for other people.

Speaker 1: 9:41

So that's really what got me started on it. And James and I are college sweethearts. So the same time that I met Miss Kelsey I met James Wedmore and ironically, james and I have had, even though we're college sweethearts. So we dated really seriously in our 20s and then broke up and we were friends for 10 years but we were living these like oddly parallel lives, like everything I was learning to develop at my former company he was doing in his company and when we came back together as a couple he just kind of inserted me into the business and was like why don't you do that, do that for me now? So I run his marketing department but I also teach at the live events to infuse all of that spirituality, meditation, all the woo-woo stuff, the intuition, just kind of like a passion project, you know, turned career.

Speaker 2: 10:32

That's so cool. Yeah, that's what's so cool about it, because I mean, you have this whole life path right and you're grabbing from here, you're grabbing from there and it's just, it's this perfect, beautiful mix of exactly what your medicine is for this world, like and in in the, in the little capsule of business, like, oh, you think you're taking a business course, here you go we are, you're going to learn all the things you need, but like also, here's the, here's the thing underneath you're also getting, oh, so good, my favorite thing about it is that um cause I did a lot of this work when I was working for my company in a bigger corporation and big companies.

Speaker 1: 11:08

A lot of them have personal development departments and because that's so essential for just workplace happiness and team bonding and dynamics. But what's so special about business by design is that getting to do this type of work with entrepreneurs everyone who's in business by design they've produced a product around something that they really feel like is their inner work, usually like it's like what's what they're here on the planet to deliver, and so, in a way, it's like connecting people into their dharma of like what's going to make you feel the most fulfilled. So like, of course, this work goes so well with that, because how could it not? It's like kind of your soul's expression of what you want to teach people and how you want to help. So it's really a privilege to get to lead that type of work inside of Business by Design and what James has created.

Speaker 2: 11:58

That's so cool and I love too that it doesn't shy away from the energetics and the inner work and like the important stuff, because anybody can teach strategy Really, like anybody can teach funnels, like that's the easy side. Actually, this part is okay. Well, how are you showing up and what impact are you having and are you intentional with how you're speaking to people and how you're supporting them through anything?

Speaker 1: 12:23

And I mean that's where the magic is you know what that brought up to me, that I've never really connected the dot of that before, but I think growing up my experience of myself was that I was never the one that had all of the natural talent or necessarily was able to be the one in the room that was the most strategic, but I could be the one that had the best mindset and I found that that gave me a leg up in so many circumstances. Sports comes to mind immediately. I remember having a moment when I finished my high school volleyball career. I was the captain of a state championship volleyball team and really had no business like being in that role. You know what I mean Like when you look at like natural ability, talent, height, build.

Speaker 1: 13:15

You know I wasn't the best player on the team, but I learned a lot from a young age that your mindset, your mentality, your attitude, how you approach things, all of the energetics around what you believe you can do it can actually yield the result that you want. You know so. So I think that's like what came up when you said that is that, like, the strategy is so important and you don't do. You want a great coach and a great expert that can tell you what to do, but then the fuel that's behind that, that is that you know you need the strategies like the engine and I was going to say the same thing Exactly.

Speaker 1: 13:55

The mindset, the, the woo, woo. The energy is the fuel and you can have a perfect car. You don't have gas in the tank, it's not going anywhere. So that's how I look at it. Is they work so well together and they're both so?

Speaker 2: 14:08

important. That's spot on. And, to be honest, like everybody's doing this, but not consciously, like you can tell the people who have worked on their energy right, but they're showing up a little messy and it's just a little off, like you can tell. And I just love how BBD gives you the language for that and also gives you the support that you need in that category too, because I've never felt oh my God, I'm going to cry.

Speaker 2: 14:34

I'm in next level this year and I had a crash out earlier this year. I'm in a browner body. The world is absolutely upside down. I have a background, my dad's from El Salvador. He has experiences where his family was in danger, and so I've been processing a lot and coming back with this podcast this season. It was like, okay, can I handle all good? So sorry, I have two and two kids. It's crazy. I'm sure you saw Cole climbing all over me on the last call. That's what we're doing.

Speaker 2: 15:14

So I'm just like processing layers upon layers of like grief and terror and ancestral trauma and all of this stuff and then going back in with the podcast again, like can I really handle going back in again? What if I fail again? What if my support systems fall apart again. What if I? You know what if what, if what, if what, if what if it was all so loud and sitting with the coaches? I have no words for the support that I felt in that container over and over and over again, just so consistently, and it's been such a gift to be able to move through so much darkness to come out now the other side, and nothing on the external has changed. In fact, it's gotten a lot darker since I was having those crash outs a couple months ago, right, but now it's like oh no, it's go time. Oh, I'm getting full body chills, it's go time. It's time to activate everybody and get people in touch with exactly what they're here to do. And that's why I believe in this work so strongly, because we have such an aligned mission.

Speaker 1: 16:25

Yeah, yeah, I feel we talk about this a lot that, like I, I'm a deep believer in um. Whatever time you chose to come back on the to the planet. That was not a coincidence. So, like all of us are here to be here in this time, however, whatever it presents and however hard it may be, and it's the ones that are really like here to be in their work and help others. That is what we're here to do and make a difference, and having a business on the internet can be a really dark, scary place.

Speaker 1: 16:57

I've constantly flabbergasted by the comments and the energy that people bring to the internet. So it does take a lot of courage and I think that the support of having people around you who are in the same business and who are facing the same fears and doubts and concerns and coming together and tackling them together it's it's the biggest surprise benefit that I hear over and over and over. A business by design is the community that you. You can't appreciate how lonely it can feel running your own digital business when you don't have this group of digital entrepreneurs and there. What's unique, I think, about it is that there are.

Speaker 1: 17:44

I was thinking about this today because, as digital business becomes. I think we're at the edge of a bubble, like we're. It's about digital business it's just kind of keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and that there's going to be more and more courses offered online and people having digital products, and so with that is going to come all these different options for how you learn it or who you learn, funnels and ad campaigns and all of the strategy from, and I think what James has done a really good job in doing. That's so unique is curating the community and attracting incredible people together. I'm always blown away by when I go to a BBD event or a next level event and there's anywhere from 200 to 1,000 people in the room, and I can't think of a time when I've bumped into a human and been like, oh no, I can't. No, no, I don't talk to you.

Speaker 1: 18:35

You know what I mean there's like a lot of amazing people in there. It's really special.

Speaker 2: 18:40

Yeah, with huge missions and big hearts and just like this drive to do something good in the world and contribute in a really positive way. So special. And to that let me just pivot real quick to spoon bending, because at BBD. Live, we do some magical things in addition to learning.

Speaker 1: 19:00

Okay, honey, I'm recording a podcast. Oh, you are? Yes.

Speaker 2: 19:04

Hi James.

Speaker 1: 19:08

That's okay.

Speaker 2: 19:13

Anyway, spoon bending. So spoon bending, okay. So I like, I said, like same thing. I am a voracious reader, I like research, I am a nerd, right, and I love, I love finding new things to learn, right. So I went to BBD Live in 2023 and I had never done any spoon bending. So I was like what, this is awesome. So I went in, I did the whole thing and I had this whole push-pull I, if I don't bend it, it's going to be okay because it doesn't mean anything about me and so, whatever. So I bent it once.

Speaker 2: 19:50

Here's the spoon for anybody who's watching on video. Here's what I was able to do. And I was so proud of myself, I was so grateful Falling. I showed up, I'm doing this thing, I'm here live and I was happy, content. And then we opened our eyes and we started sharing and I started seeing what's possible and that's so powerful being in rooms like that, because you can absolutely be pleased and proud and content with what you're bringing to the table. But there's always more to learn, to experience, to just be witness to, and I mean I was seeing people like, with the zigzags and the curlicues, that's what's possible here, okay.

Speaker 2: 20:31

So then we came back last year and I was like all right, I'm going to play some more. So I was able to get a zigzag. So, okay, it's not about the spoon, it's about yourself and it's about what you believe is possible, right? So cut to the crash out earlier this year, bawling, bawling, feeling all my feelings, being in the fear, transmuting all the things, just like letting it take me over. And then I was like hey, what are you trying to teach me? And they were like it's time to reclaim your power. I was like, okay, great, but how, though? And then my eyes went to my collection of spoons and it was like oh, you think that you need to be in a room full of a thousand people with loud music and a meditative experience to access that level of power? Get up and do that right now. And so I did.

Speaker 2: 21:25

I did this one. Oh, my gosh, wow, I did this one. And then I was like okay, but these, but these are smaller spoons and I have smaller hands. What if it was just da, da, da, da, da? So I went down to the kitchen, yeah, and I, and I got just a regular big spoon. And I got just a regular big spoon, but I bent this thing too, like I was like no, I am going to do it. I did it and I was like okay, it's not the room, it's me. Yes, yes, I am powerful. Yes, I am powerful and I can affect energy and I do create my own reality, and it's time to remember that.

Speaker 1: 22:05

Isn't that? So I mean, that's yeah, that's it. Spoonbending found me in such a crazy serendipitous way, james and I is one of obviously one of our favorite movies is the Matrix of all time.

Speaker 1: 23:48

And there's that scene in the Matrix where the little boy, when he's going to see the Oracle, it's not the spoon that bends, it's you that bend. And so I love that scene. And when James and I broke up in our late twenties, I had moved back to Texas and I was so sad because all of my spiritual community and teachers and there was someone that I was apprenticing with in Los Angeles and it was like all my network of that I was apprenticing with in Los Angeles and it was like all my network of healers were back in California and I was just praying to the universe God send me my next pathway. And my mom and I found this flyer out one day I don't even remember where we stumbled upon it, in the middle of the road, as one of my friends says and it said spoon bending workshop. And I look at my mom and I go like the matrix and we're like, okay, let's go to that. And the woman who was teaching it is her name is Heather Ash and she was the apprentice of Don Miguel Ruiz, who wrote the four agreements and the mastery of love, those beautiful books. And when I walked into the workshop she. There was only about 40 people there, but she was in the middle of the room with a fork and she was pulling the prongs back on the fork with one finger. It was just like, and I was just enchanted, you know, and so I decided that's my next person that I'm learning from and take her course and do firewalking and spoon bending with her, and that's it's so cool. It's like a. It comes out of the concept that's in almost all indigenous sacred cultures that your energy can affect matter. And whether that's learning to walk on hot coals or walk through fire or bending metal, the spoon bending is just a reflection of the way that we're able to shift our energetic state and then affect the physical world around us.

Speaker 1: 25:41

And when I pitched, we were throwing out crazy ideas for BBD Live. When we were coming, we hadn't done BBD Live in several years because of COVID, so when we were coming back to we're going to do it live again, we were throwing out like what's the craziest, craziest ideas you could think of? And it was like we could have a crystal shop in the lobby. And then I was like we could do spoon bending and James was like wait, wait, would you want to do spoon bending and I was like, yeah, well, I mean, with a thousand people, we're going to have to warm it up over the year and I want to experiment with it first. So he let me like test it out on all different groups of people.

Speaker 1: 26:17

I think we did it like with 22 people, and then we did it with a hundred, and then we did it with 200 and then we did it with the whole room. So now it's become a staple in BBD that we do that every year, and every year it's just like one of my most favorite experiences because the energy in the room I was talking to someone last year that said he felt like he was getting in his head about whether or not he was going to bend the spoon. And then he had this moment where he just went like you know what, I don't even care, I'm just going to put the spoon down and be in this energy field. And he just had the best experience without even touching the spoon, because he was just resonating with the levels of love and gratitude and possibility that are happening in that one hour period of time where we're meditating. And yeah, it's become one of my year highlights. I think it's so fun, so cool.

Speaker 2: 27:11

It's so fun and so magical and I don't want to scare anyone off you just said an hour of meditation. It's not like that. It doesn't feel like that. It feels like you blink and that's it.

Speaker 1: 27:20

Yeah, when I started studying meditation James and I also, when we were 24, maybe 25, we got really into neuro-linguistic programming, because when I start reading books of people that seem to know a lot about energy mindset and peak performance, I start going well, now, who taught them and what do they know that I don't know? And where did they go to school? And neuro-linguistic programming emerged as the root of some of my favorite authors and speakers, and so I found the founder is still teaching and went over to London and got to take his certification course, and when you're studying with him, he does a lot of meditative experiences that are rooted in the neurolinguistics, in hypnosis or open eye, trance induction, and he was able to put people in these positive emotional states, and so I got really fascinated with bridging, like how do we bring yoga and pranayama and these ancient meditation techniques with some of the neuro-linguistic things? That helps people be able to meditate for longer periods of time, because it feels like it's just like a blip.

Speaker 1: 28:37

And that's probably my most favorite compliment is when people tell me I've never been able to meditate, but I can do your meditations. Yeah, and I think that's where NLP pairs so well is because the process for spoon bending, I think, is just over. It's about 30 minutes. But when people I'm queuing it the whole time and when they come out of it they're like that was 30 minutes. I thought that was there's no way.

Speaker 2: 29:01

Yeah, and so it's.

Speaker 1: 29:02

it's really cool, that's my other. I geek out on that of like, how can we add in it's so good.

Speaker 2: 29:07

It's just so good for longer.

Speaker 2: 29:10

Yeah, so powerful. Okay, A hard pivot you went over you just mentioned. You broke up with James and then you went on your own life path and now you're back. Yes, there's a lot that happened in there, Spiritually, I feel like. I mean, if you're as keyed in as you are, it makes sense that you were together and I could see from my perspective, because I had a similar path on my end. When there's a split and you know this to be true how do you reconcile the reality not matching?

Speaker 1: 29:46

what you know. It's such a good conversation. I met James when I was 20. And since I was little, I always believed I would meet my person by the time I was 21. I think part of that was I romanticized my parents and they met when my mom was 21. So I grew up with like I'm going to meet him when I'm 21. But I also just had a knowing. And when I met James, my twin sister set us up on a blind date. So my twin picked him and when I met him I was like and that's my husband.

Speaker 1: 30:17

But we were so young, we were in college at the time he was like big man on campus, one of the cool kids at the school, and he was the president of a fraternity and and I think I really wanted, I was so ready for I was one of those people where I was like I didn't care if it was he was my first boyfriend and I did not care. One and done. I'm like first boyfriend, I'll marry him. But he was more of like a typical young man that wants to have experiences and not be that serious, and so that was always our when we were younger. That was always our challenge was I was ready for something serious and he wasn't quite ready. So then I had to grapple with well, do I want to be with someone who's not really ready, or is that like mean that we're not a match?

Speaker 1: 31:02

And when, um, so we would like we've dated in college, we broke up and then, I think five years later, we started dating again. But we had become like Monica and Chandler, like we were like best best friends me, james and Michael Alanis, whom I'm sure you know through next level he is still one of James's coaches and we all work together. We would all hang out. And then one night I was like, oh, I'm going to have to tell my best friend that I'm in love with them. And then he was like I'm in love with you. So it was perfect timing and it was like so then we were dating. And then we broke up again, mostly because kind of similar things. Ironically, he told me that he didn't. He, I related to everything in my life as a spiritual path, a spiritual problem, and he had trouble doing that as a, as a younger man, like 28.

Speaker 2: 31:46

And he was like all the way left. Brain strategy yes.

Speaker 1: 31:49

And he was like I love the, I love you and I love that you are that way. I don't know that I'm ever going to approach my life from. I want a deep relationship with God. I want everything to be a spiritual path. You know what I mean. And so I struggled with that because I really felt like if I was going to marry someone, I wanted to know that the agreement to be married was me, that person and God, and that conversation felt like it wasn't really present at the time. Now that we circle back, we realized that in our youth we actually just weren't very good at communicating and it wasn't actually that we had an understanding of why we were breaking up. So now we look back on it and we're like we were idiots. We never should have broken up that was just a big misunderstanding.

Speaker 1: 32:39

So cute, yeah, yeah. But what happened was we went our separate ways and it really shook me up because, intuitively, I had so much certainty over that's my person and I thought like, well, okay, if our star charts make sense, people who do our human design tell us we make perfect sense. People who are personality experts meet us and say we make perfect sense. So when we broke up, I was like you know what, maybe love isn't real. I literally went to a place of like I'm done with serious love.

Speaker 2: 33:13

What other possible conclusion is there at that point.

Speaker 1: 33:15

Yeah, but I, but I, really in my heart, I deeply desired to be married, to be to have a partner, to have someone that I'm going to walk through life with and not just like someone that we live our own separate lives. I and not everyone, wants this. I wanted to be with someone that, like we really build a life and a career together which I know not everyone wants and we meet couples all the time. That's like I would never work with my husband and I'm like I've always wanted that, that's what I, that's what I wanted. So I would ask, I would go on these walks and ask my guidance when am I going to meet my person? And they would say back to me you've already met him and my mom and I would just go through the Rolodex of like every male that had ever. What friend is this a friend? Is it someone who I crossed their path and then we'll get back together?

Speaker 1: 34:07

And, uh, by the time James and I reconnected, it was. It was so kismet. He had exited his marriage relationship when he married someone else. I thought he's gone forever, because I know this man. He's so committed and he's so like his word is his bond day that I saw he got married, I was bawling Hysterically, had my best friend come over and was like I have to throw away our first date pictures I've been holding on to them.

Speaker 1: 34:38

Yeah, it was awful. But then it was almost 10 years later to the date that he, unbeknownst to me, he had left his marriage and then reached out to me and said how are you doing? You doing okay. And then reached out to me and said how are you doing? You doing okay? And I said no, I had gotten out of a very hurtful relationship that I was in therapy at PTSD for and I was like you know, I'm using all my spiritual NLP tricks to get over this heartache and grief and PTSD. And he said why don't you come on out to Sedona? It's like spiritual Holy land, your family's Native American. It's Holy land for the native Americans. You're going to love it here, had you?

Speaker 2: 35:18

not been there yet?

Speaker 1: 35:19

No, no, he and I planned to go to Sedona in 2008. I told him about it and we never went. He went on his own and in like 2014 or something like that. But no, I had never been. But I had been dreaming about red rocks. So what's crazy is that I was having these intuitive dreams where I kept seeing red rocks and I'm a big Indiana Jones fan, so I just assumed it was Monument Valley, the opening of Indiana Jones' last crusade. So I had two weeks vacation off from my job and I had planned to go camp in Monument Valley with my dog.

Speaker 1: 35:57

And then James called me and said do you want to come to Sedona? And I said aren't there red rocks in Sedona? Isn't it like big red rocks? And he was like, yeah, and I'm like I think I've been dreaming about that. I'm going to come visit you in two weeks. And he was like Jen, I have invited so many friends to come visit me in 2020. And no one has ever said I'll be there in 10 days.

Speaker 1: 36:18

But I remember driving out and having this energy hit me of like, what do I do if I'm still in love with this man? And my mom was so cute. She was like you just turn around, you come back home. Because at that time I didn't know what his relationship status was. And anyway, when we reconnected it was like no time has passed and we could not believe that it was like the universe just brought us back together. He said he texted me randomly because pretty much the moment that he got out of his marriage he started seeing me in meditation and he would hear my name and then his mom and his sister started dreaming about me and they're super intuitive too, which of course it makes sense.

Speaker 1: 37:00

And they were like well, we weren't going to reach out because we knew what was going on in his life and he's living alone in Sedona and I'm not going so like powerfully. And later, when we got back together, I asked show me like what this soul bond is Like, how did that come about? And this is like getting into the woo woo stuff. So I assume that your listeners are in this because you're so-.

Speaker 2: 37:28

Oh, we're all about it, yep.

Speaker 1: 37:30

But I had this dream where I was in an Egyptian like hall and it was me, James, and we had a boy with us that was our child, and we had a conversation that was like about our soul contract and we both agreed we won't be together in every single lifetime because we have to allow each other to have other experiences or to grow. But James said to me if anyone ever hurts you, I will find you. And I woke up and was bawling.

Speaker 1: 38:06

I'm keeping it together, right now, oh my God, because what had happened was I had been so wounded by a man that I trusted. And then the amount oh my gosh, I'm getting chills. The amount of time that it took for James to reach out. And then, when we came back together, I just felt like that was. It is the single most miraculous thing that has happened in my life. That has solidified everything I always wanted to believe about soul paths and your people and relationships, and that you can let go of something and if it's really real, it'll come back to you.

Speaker 1: 38:42

But then also in the Alchemist there's a beautiful line that's like if what you found is real, if it's pure light, when you come back to it it will be there and it's like otherwise it's just a flash and it's passing by and it's beautiful. But if it's, if it's really real, you don't have to be worried about letting it go. It will, it will come back at the perfect time. And now that we're back together, he and I will recount these life events that have happened that have really shaped us into who we are, so that we are so much stronger and more interesting and dynamic as a couple that now we're kind of like well, I don't know that I would trade it. I think that who we've become out of that time apart made us stronger together.

Speaker 2: 39:31

now it makes sense, obviously, looking back, but damn, going through it sucks.

Speaker 1: 39:35

Oh my gosh, going through it was like I did not understand and I really had like a, especially when you feel like you've had that relationship with someone where they're setting the standard for what it feels like to be connected on a soul level.

Speaker 1: 39:51

It's very challenging to then go and date where you don't feel that, because the contrast, it creates a lot of clarity and I think some people maybe they haven't experienced that level of like. When I'm with this person, it feels like Everything's lit up. Yeah yeah, james was like when we reconnected. He was like it's like two halves of a whole being back together and he was like I didn't even perceive the absence of it, other than I used to have these dreams that I was wandering trying to find something that I couldn't quite find, and it was like an itch that you can't scratch and I don't have them anymore now that we're back together Because it was like that's what I was grasping at was energetically he was on a totally different plane because he was committed and married to someone else and there was no world in which that would ever happen.

Speaker 1: 40:46

When that contract is in place and then when that gets dissolved and it just opens up a new world of possibilities, and energetically we just came right back together it was really incredible.

Speaker 2: 40:57

That is just incredible, like oh my gosh. And it's so interesting too that you're saying that you started like not having that shared language of intuition and energetics and all that stuff, like it was basically like a foreign language for him, right, and so.

Speaker 1: 41:10

I don't have a spiritual path and now and oh, I'm never going to live outside of California. Now he lives in like spiritual Mecca and everything is a spiritual conversation. He meditates more than I do now and he probably owns more crystals than me. Now I mean, this is a man that I bought. We bought his first crystal together and now he's got like the crystal bracelets and I mean it's who?

Speaker 2: 41:33

even is this guy. Wouldn't it be so much fun if you took like a snapshot of your present tense and just sent it to like early 20s, you guys, just to blow their minds a little bit.

Speaker 1: 41:45

Yeah, I know, well, I do. It is a big lesson for me that when your presence alone can really affect people, I guess is the way I'll summarize that. He said that he had a moment years ago when someone had asked him how'd you get into all the spiritual stuff? And he started talking about it and then, organically, he had never really connected all the dots of all the places in his life that he and I had had these big conversations. I was just authentically sharing what I was doing, and James is a very curious person and he's obsessed with peak performance, you know.

Speaker 1: 42:26

So when he, even when we weren't dating, when he was looking at me going, you've had all this growth, what are you doing? And I'd be like, well, I, okay, so I read this book and I've been doing. I got certified in yoga, I've been studying this, I've been doing this, I've been, I've been reading about this topic and now I'm thinking this and he would go and try it out for himself. So he's recounting back like, well, I had a friend that I met and she's really spiritual and she was also super psychic. So, like you can believe that something is going on because I, he would like lose things that I that I should not know where it is. And he'd call me and go where is this? And I'd tell him where it was, in his parents' house, like there's no way that she's remote viewing, there's no way that you can deny that that's what's happening. So that kind of cracked the door open.

Speaker 1: 43:13

But then there were all these other moments where we were just sharing with each other what we were doing in each other's lives and in a way, we were like development buddies for 10 years, having barely talked. You know what I mean. It would be like he'd text me and be like I read this book, have you read Synchronicity Key or something, and I'd go, oh, I'll get it. And then I'd start reading and be like, oh my gosh, that was awesome. I'm going to tell him, I'm doing this course. And he said he started crying because he realized that every pivotal moment in his life that had opened the door to spirituality was me. And looking back, it's wondrous I don't really have another word for it other than it's miraculous that we've been that for each other and now we get to be together, which is just like the best. Now we're getting married. I can't wait the freaking best so that for each other, and now we get to be together, which is just like the best. Now we're getting married.

Speaker 2: 44:01

I can't wait the freaking best. So excited for you guys. 20 years in the making. You know those overnight success stories, right.

Speaker 1: 44:08

Honestly, it is a message to everyone Be patient, especially if you have it in your heart that you really want to be married or have a relationship that is just like very deep on a soul level. It's like if that's what you want, it will. It will find you at the perfect moment. I'm so grateful for all of the chapters that we were a part Cause I mean foundational for me as a human being. You know, I live in Australia by myself for a year, so cool, yeah. And that wouldn't have happened, probably if we would have stayed together in our 20s.

Speaker 2: 44:45

See, this is so funny because you guys are like the parallel universe version of my husband and I, because we met at 15 and 17 in high school. Here in LA. I went to an all-girls Catholic high school. He went to public school and his parents sent him to driver's ed. Our best friends met at driver's ed, hooked us up, and now here we are. I'm obviously cutting out a lot, yes, cause early twenties are a lot.

Speaker 1: 45:10

That's what I wanted. That's what I wanted. Was I just wanted to be a person?

Speaker 2: 45:13

I don't know, though because you had this incredible life full of like, adventure and curiosity and just all of these things, and I have stayed in LA and we have been together generally for most of that time and now we have two kids and you know we and we also work together. For a while we were a photography duo a lot of fun, super adventurous, but together. So it's so interesting to see that you guys were able to be so independent and do your development side by side in these parallel but separate universes and we have been kind of doing this potato sack race, which has been at times more sloppy than others, but we're ending up in generally the same place and it's just so interesting, so interesting to me.

Speaker 1: 46:04

We were talking about this last night at dinner. Actually I was saying I was reflecting on the nature of human beings and how we really most of us crave an ability to understand the infinite, but because we're in a finite body and our finite brain, we can't really grasp it. You know, like to really grasp the infinite universe? And it's expanding. And how is it expanding? And how can there be that our planet, our solar system, is just this tiny little speck in this huge cosmic universe, going on and on and on to infinity? Our brain can't even really like if you try to form a picture of it we were talking about like the closest imagery is like a sphere or like a Mobius strip and it's almost. You can't even imagine infinity.

Speaker 1: 46:55

And because of that, I think there's this natural human nature that your life is lived in the sequence of time, one event at a time. You can't go backwards. It's not a video game. You can't go. Oh well, that choice didn't work out, so I'm going to go back and start the game over and make a different choice and see what that's like. You have these choices where you get to choose and then you've got to live out that choice for until the rest of your life, and I think that it's really natural to have your mind go places like, well, what if I would have chosen something differently then? And what if I would have chosen something differently here? And would I be in a totally different place if I would have done X, y and Z? And in my life, james was one of those things that it was like a moment in time where I would, in my mind, I would go back and say, well, what would my life be like if we never would have said we're breaking up? And to come back together now is one of oh, I could cry thinking about this.

Speaker 1: 48:00

For me it's the embodiment of the Bible verse God makes all things new. That, no matter, it's impossible to mess it up. No matter what you do, no matter what choice you make, if you get aligned with who you are at your center and you keep stepping into that, that alignment will cause this, like cosmic force of magnetism, to bring things together in your life in a way that it was always meant to be, so that where you end up, you go. I was always meant to be on this path, I just got chills. It was always meant to be on this path. I just got chills. It was always meant to be this.

Speaker 1: 48:41

And then you can stop second guessing what if what if what if what if what? If it's like you know what, what if it's more like a detour and you can still end up in your destination and there's no time loss. It's just like you will get there as long as you continue to do your work and align. And I'm glad that he's learned to really trust intuition, because that moment of where he's alone in Sedona and going through a divorce and his ex-girlfriend pops up into his mind and he hears my name three times and he goes. I think I'm going to reach out instead of I don't know. That's ridiculous.

Speaker 2: 49:19

That's weird.

Speaker 1: 49:20

Yeah, yeah. And it's in learning to try. And I'm dreaming of Red Rocks going. I don't know where I'm going yet, but I'm going to go ahead and block off this vacation because I think I'm supposed to be in Red Rocks, and then that opportunity presented itself and I didn't go. That's my ex-boyfriend. I don't go. That's my ex-boyfriend. I don't think I should do that. I just went. I don't know why, but I need to do that. And then you take a step and it leads you, and then you end up where you were always meant to be.

Speaker 2: 49:45

Exactly, exactly, and it's just moment by moment, breadcrumb by breadcrumb, just following that teeny tiny feeling. And some of us have other developed, more developed senses. But the way I teach it is intuition is a language. It's just the fact that you can speak the language, you can speak it, you can listen, you could receive information and you've developed your trust muscle over time. That's an unstoppable combination I like how you said that it.

Speaker 1: 50:15

Yeah, that's a really good way to say it that it. It is a language, and you know what I think when people aren't used to tapping into it all the time, sometimes they expect it.

Speaker 1: 50:26

Oh, I get this ringing in my left ear when I say something, when people aren't tuned into it all the time or they're not used to using it as a resource, then they want intuitive guidance to be louder, more obvious, more concrete, more concrete. I call it like the Looney Tunes anvil falling from the sky in the middle of your path. Don't go that way, right. And it's much more subtle, and so it is developing a sensitivity to it, and then you also have to really play around with trusting it and not trusting it to learn to trust it. You learn to trust it in moments where you didn't, and then you can sell it and go well, congratulations, you're intuitive.

Speaker 2: 51:23

Yeah, and I feel like, well, actually, that's the 3D confirmation that people need, because, okay, here's the data right, here's what happens when you trust that feeling, here's what happens when you don't. And it's consistent. What are you going to choose?

Speaker 1: 51:38

next Like avoid consequences that never would have happened sometimes. And then you think, well, am I just being anxious and crazy, or did I actually sidestep something Like we were packing for a trip? There's a tiny example. We were packing for a trip one time and I generally I pack an electric toothbrush, but I was packing my suitcase and I got this very clear pack two toothbrushes, like pack a spare. And I was like what I don't that's why? Yeah, no, I pack an electric toothbrush. Why did I hear that? I must be, this must be anxiety. That was weird. We go to the hotel and as I'm unpacking, the toothbrush falls out of my bag. And as I'm unpacking, the toothbrush falls out of my bag and done, done, done onto the hotel floor. And I am a germaphobe, so that thing is coming nowhere near my mouth and I just put and pack two toothbrushes.

Speaker 1: 52:31

Now all that is transpiring. How you are getting data from something out there in the 3D realm. That hasn't quite happened yet. That's incredible, but you learn to trust it. You go. I don't know how that's happening. It must be that human beings are magnetic and it's already in the magnetic field. It's like anything is possible, but it's also rippling out based on your choices now. So once you make a choice now, it's kind of like reality is becoming more solidified out there in the future.

Speaker 1: 53:04

So there's a way to tap into the immediate future in a way that maybe you're receiving something about it and you just learn to trust that.

Speaker 2: 53:12

I love that so much, and let's up the ante with that idea. So 2025, shit's going down. Let's up the ante with that idea. So 2025, shit's going down. It's scary there If we're paying any attention, like what the fuck is happening, right? And so if we're only 3D, if we're only left brain, if we're only concrete, I mean, why leave the house? Why do anything? Why try anything at this point, like there is no hope, the sky is falling. Let's quit now. Let's just leave. Energetically, everything I'm getting is this is by design, this is on purpose. This time it is scary and we, the magical woo-woo lightworkers out here, are being activated to hold that vision, because there is absolutely a possibility for this all to go really bad. Anything is possible. But if we're in charge of our energy now, in the present, we can absolutely collectively manifest the most beautiful timeline out of this. Yes, and this is what we're doing now.

Speaker 1: 54:17

Yes, yes, there's a, I feel like it's Edgar Cayce.

Speaker 1: 54:24

There's an author that's written about old souls and, like the timelines that they've, there's a pattern of timelines where people have certain I guess you could say indigo kids or yeah, the rainbow children, the light beings, have like come back into consciousness, where there's a theory that that they, they pop in kind of at the same eras.

Speaker 1: 54:50

So it's like Atlantis, egypt, world war two, and that now is one of those eras. And one of the things that helps me in this time when things start getting really wild and when you start going, oh my gosh, in 10 years are we going to be living in a sci-fi film and what is happening on the planet is to remind myself that this battle between light and dark, if you will, has always been, and then that's part of being on planet earth, that's part of the game of planet earth, and that there there have been eras in time when it was absolutely Ooh, I'm getting chills. It was absolutely critical and essential that the people that can carry the light are carrying the light. And, um, I joke with James all the time that my last life was world war two, cause I'm World War II, because I just started crying.

Speaker 2: 55:43

We were probably all friends back then, I'm sure.

Speaker 1: 55:47

I joke that I must have been dead between 1945 and 1983, when I was reborn, because the 70s and 60s I just I enjoy. He loves the 70s music. I enjoy it, but I don't resonate with it. But anyway, suffice it to say it's like if you think about what was happening on the planet collectively in 1945 and how frightening and overwhelming and how much pain and grief was experienced in that era, we can remind ourselves we can do this again.

Speaker 1: 56:21

You know, there's a, there was a show, I think it was called man in the high castle. That was like what would have happened to the planet if the Nazis would have succeeded. And it's like you we've. There's always a tension between what's the worst case scenario and what's the best case scenario and sometimes we get a world where we're kind of like straddling the line of the two. But to remind ourselves that this isn't the first time that there's been a call for like if you can be the one that's bringing the light and holding the hope, that's what we're here to do in this time, and that we've done it before and we can do it again and that the light will prevail.

Speaker 2: 57:00

You want to hear my theory, tell me Okay. So in 2016, the debates, I had this download that we were going to go back in to World War II era things and I was like that makes no sense, that's not possible, I don't see it. But it was like fact, downloaded, right, and so it was like, okay, you're going to go back because this is your chance to heal it. You're going to deal with what happened last time, but it's in a different era, right Spiraling up, because now we have the global connectivity in the technology. We've had the decade plus of awakening, we have the newer generations coming in, already awake and tapped in. We have that rebel spirit coming in and we are the ones who are inheriting the planet as is. We are not the silent generation. The silent generation was silent. We are not.

Speaker 1: 58:02

Well. I hope not anywhere now, you know, with the internet. I mean, it's a wild contrast when you think like there were people navigating a global war and the only information they had about it was what was being printed in the paper. Right, that's like. It's like okay, now, if they can handle that, we can handle it, we can, we can do this.

Speaker 2: 58:30

We've got this. Yes, yeah, I mean it sucks Like it's, it is scary outside and it is really hard, absolutely Acknowledging that. But I think, if we just stay focused on all the things we have going for us, there's no other way for this to go, and that parallel to the resurgence of matriarchy. I don't see any other option. There is no other way for this to go. The pendulum has swung and I've never seen so much fire, so much power, so much confidence. This is new.

Speaker 1: 59:02

I know I was thinking about that the other day. What a blessing it is to live in. I had this reflection of like if my past life was in 1945, it's possible that this is the only lifetime I've had where I've had a full-blown career. I don't know. It's so true, like what a privilege to come back in this time when it's so encouraged and a path has been made for women to have a career and be a mother. And you know, you know what I mean it's like. I know that it's trending to talk about how challenging it is to try and be everything to everyone, because of course, that is a new problem that's presented as like. Well, how do you experience all of those roles that female archetype embodies? But at the same time.

Speaker 1: 59:55

What a privilege to come back in this time when there's more choices available than ever before for women to have careers or to be moms, or to be both. You know what I mean. It's also a beautiful time that has brought its new challenges and new conversations.

Speaker 2: 1:00:16

Yeah, I think we chose to be here for this Absolutely, and then hearkening back to like movies and eras and everything I mean the Force is real.

Speaker 1: 1:00:28

Oh yeah, I was like when are we going to bring Star Wars into this? I was literally just thinking.

Speaker 2: 1:00:33

What are we psychic? That's weird.

Speaker 1: 1:00:36

Yeah, Absolutely. I remember my mom in one of the time periods that James and I were apart. I was dating this guy that had never seen Star Wars and my mom said but honey, have you explained to him that it's not a movie for you, it's a way of life.

Speaker 2: 1:00:52

You're a Jedi. What is there to not understand?

Speaker 1: 1:00:57

Huge Star Wars nerd, but it's because I believe that that film is really casting a vision on what it is to be, you know, human. And I actually saw a really cool non sequitur. I saw a really cool interview with George Lucas recently where someone asked him why does Yoda speak backwards? And he said because I knew that I was making a film for children and that he is the voice of wisdom in the series. He's the one that imparts all of the knowledge, he is the philosopher and he delivers the entire philosophy of the Star Wars universe and if I just had him talk, people would miss it, but if I had him talk in an odd cadence, they would have to slow down and pay attention to what he was saying. So when he talks-.

Speaker 2: 1:01:45

It's like time release medicine.

Speaker 1: 1:01:49

I was like, wow, it's kind of like trance induction with some that's brilliant. Yoda says backwards.

Speaker 2: 1:01:56

So smart, I was like that is awesome George Lucas.

Speaker 1: 1:02:01

Oh my gosh yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:02:03

See, amazing. Has he studied NLP, I wonder? I bet he has, right. Oh, so good. I don't even like. What do we even talk about next? Like we could just stay on all day. Yeah, is there? Is there anything else that you want everybody listening to know? Like, tune in for me for a second If there's any one parting message from your guidance, from your team, from your soul self.

Speaker 1: 1:02:30

Oh, what came up was for those listening. If we're talking like intuition and business, I think sometimes people separate the two and this is your official invitation to practice the embodiment of your spirituality, your intuition, your tuning to your highest self or your highest timeline. My friend, catherine Zinkino, always likes to say I'm tuning to my highest possibility timeline. I like that idea that, like if we are magnetic and our choices are producing a new future and we're kind of future casting all the time with our energy, then you've got to align to the timeline in which you want these beautiful things to unfold in your life and to not keep those totally separate. You don't have to put business in a box and then your spirituality in a different box. You can practice integrating the two and that is really what's going to reveal a career pathway that feels like it is an expression of your soul, that it's an expression of who you are. It's more than just what you get up in the morning and do. You're in alignment.

Speaker 1: 1:03:40

In every way. You can't be separate.

Speaker 2: 1:03:42

Yeah, it's literally just being yourself. It's the most yourself you could ever possibly be.

Speaker 1: 1:03:48

Yes, yes, and how could you be designed to be anything else?

Speaker 2: 1:03:52

Yeah, I mean, you could be brainwashed a little bit by society, but let's just break that, shall we?

Speaker 1: 1:03:59

Yeah, and James has this theory that on some level your body feels that and that when you're, when you are, when you're not in touch with what am I here to do? Who am I here to serve, you will experience different levels of dissatisfaction, unfulfillment, burnout or lack of energy because in some way you're not getting into the congruent alignment. And that's not to say that you don't get tired when you're in your dharma. Of course you can get tired, but it's like there's that constant circling back to what we talked about in the beginning the energy, the energetics, the intuition, the alignment. That's the fuel beginning. The energy, the energetics, the intuition, the alignment. That's the fuel. So if you feel like you're constantly running on empty, then it's time to maybe dive into a little bit more of the soul level, energetics and the conversation around your path.

Speaker 2: 1:04:51

Hallelujah, amen and hallelujah. Jenny Finley, I have kept you for an hour and five minutes and I'm going to let you go back to your beautiful life. I so, so, so appreciate you and so appreciate everything you're doing for the world, and just all the hearts to you, my friend.

Speaker 1: 1:05:08

Well, same my love. Thank you so much. What a privilege to get to talk to you today and everyone listening, getting to listen to you always.

Speaker 2: 1:05:16

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